Tren side effects Please help

[Mudveins]

So this is my first tren cycle, it's been 5 weeks now of 100mg of tren ace eod and prop 100mg eod. I love what it is turning my body into, but I'm now having issues. The first 2-3 weeks I was a sexual Tyrannosaurus lol... Nothing could stop me. But weeks 4 and five have been Tren dick hell. In the past 2 weeks I have upped my prop to 150mg eod and also started taking proviron 50mgs daily and it still is ****ing with me. If I don't take cialis I'm basically not having sex because I lose my hard on in a matter of minutes. Oddly enough this is the only side I have had, no trensomnia, no mood swings, no night sweats really.
Is this normal to have a libido ****ed with but no other sides?... Also I'm in a new relationship so it's definitely not a lack of interest in the woman.. The first 3 weeks were awesome!
That being said I'm considering dropping the tren and just finishing the last 7 weeks on prop and proviron alone because even though the girl is very understanding...its just not worth the stress on the mind, I'm not prepping for a competition.
Please any legit advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[livestrong82]

High prolactin most deff.. high estro may be possible but ill side with the prolactin

 

[Mudveins]

I'm not noticing anything like water retention or sensitive nipples if it were gyno starting... And isn't my proviron supposed to control the prolactin?

 

[Mudveins]

Anyone have any thoughts ? Should I up the proviron to 100mgs? Drop the tren completely?

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Exemestane for AI and caber for prolactin control. Why bother with proviron?

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Exemestane for AI and caber for prolactin control. Why bother with proviron?

Yup; I'd try getting some cabergoline or pramipexole m8

 

[Mudveins]

I read that proviron can control your prolactin levels, act as a mild AI and increase libido is why I tried it. Which is more preferred, caber or prami? And why?

 

[livestrong82]

I have always used caber for prolactin
Adex for A.I

The caber i take in small doses every 4 days and it does the job.. i never tried prami

If i dont take the caber while on tren i notice my libidio go down so im sure thats what your issue is.. get it asap, or get bloodwork asap and if the caber fixes your issue continue the cycle

 

[fdigioia99]

Proviron will work for both in mild case's.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Proviron will work for both in mild case's.

Fuk that.

 

[whiteboystomp]

Exemestane for AI and caber for prolactin control. Why bother with proviron?

^^^^^ agreed^^^^^^^^^^^ ... personally I'd go with the prami for the GH effect.

also -- dial that test back down. raising it is only making your issues worse. its kind of an oxymoron - you would think that raising your test would increase the benefits that test provides - but above a certain point, all you are doing is exacerbating the side effects that increased test brings with it.

 

[GreekTheBrick]

I read that proviron can control your prolactin levels, act as a mild AI and increase libido is why I tried it. Which is more preferred, caber or prami? And why?

Key word is "mild". Tren is not mild at all man. Have also in mind that proviron will enhance a bit both tren's and test's effects. Get prami or caber asap cause tren isnt something to consider lightly. And an AI of course. Guys above have all covered up about doses

 

[Mudveins]

Is 150mg of prop eod too much? I dropped the tren to 50mg last injection to see if I will notice a difference... Should I bring the test down to 100?
Also I dont have any experience with caber, if I can get my hands on it, what should my dosage be?

 

[whiteboystomp]

Is 150mg of prop eod too much? I dropped the tren to 50mg last injection to see if I will notice a difference... Should I bring the test down to 100?
Also I dont have any experience with caber, if I can get my hands on it, what should my dosage be?

you're all over the place, my man ... slow down. one thing at a time. according to your original post you are WERE running 400/400 from the start (that's assuming you were going with a true eod protocol). keep the tren at the 100 eod, and reduce your test BACK down to the original 400. that's it for now.

basic starting point - aromasin/exemestane - 12.5 eod. caber - .50 e3d. just take the caber every mon/thurs...or tues/fri ... whatever.

GO GET BLOODS RUN!

everything we are telling you is based on whats most likely happening. bloods will tell you exactly where you are - and what needs to be done about it.

 

[TeamTGB]

Heres a video on tren info and how to mitigate side effects.
[video=youtube;9iwr55kN8Bc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwr55kN8Bc[/video]

 

[Mudveins]

Ty for the vid. Bad news, my dealer doesnt have any caber or prami for 2 weeks minimum. Other suggestions?

 

[TeamTGB]

Ty for the vid. Bad news, my dealer doesnt have any caber or prami for 2 weeks minimum. Other suggestions?

What dose of tren are you running also what dose of aromatizing compounds?

 

[livestrong82]

High doses of inhibit p, or prolactin product by blr.. thats until u get the caber. Drop tren for now to stop raising the prolactin levels. And of course get bloodwork

 

[whiteboystomp]

High doses of inhibit p, or prolactin product by blr.. thats until u get the caber. Drop tren for now to stop raising the prolactin levels. And of course get bloodwork

I don't know about dropping the tren .... more things revolve around estrogen being a problem than anything. besides, we're talking about 2-3 weeks til the caber comes in. unless your tits are leaking, literally -- I'd stay the course.

order the caber ... get on exemestane immediately. 12.5 eod


let this be a lesson to do more research/homework beforeyou start a venture like this -- and make sure to get ALL the ancillaries you MIGHT POSSIBLY NEED - AHEAD OF TIME!. sorry for yelling --lol---but I just hate seeing this kinda **** happen.

 

[whiteboystomp]

What dose of tren are you running also what dose of aromatizing compounds?

already stated in initial post ...

 

[TeamTGB]

already stated in initial post ...

Too much testosterone imo without a strong dopamine agonist. You could drop testosterone to 150ish a week and a otc DA such as prolactrone at that level and "should" be fine. but hard to say without bloodwork as everyone reacts differently.

 

[whiteboystomp]

Too much testosterone imo without a strong dopamine agonist. You could drop testosterone to 150ish a week and a otc DA such as prolactrone at that level and "should" be fine. but hard to say without bloodwork as everyone reacts differently.

agreed on the test -- well, I'm thinking more like 250....but, our line of thinking is the same. biggest problem I have is that he threw in more test to counter-act the libido issue (of which I voiced along with recommendations in earlier post.) Tren is a VERY "whore-ish" drug ... throwing in more/increasing aromatizing compound/s around it typically leads to a side-effect risk/reward ratio that cant be substantiated based on the return of what you might get from the cycle itself. you better know what the hell you are doing...and be ready for anything.

 

[Mudveins]

I've run test in many other cycles of different esters and I have never had estrogen issues. I thought I had done my research and I was also going forward under the advice of my dealer and a national ranked bodybuilder... I always have my AI and pct on hand in case such things should happen, however according to that video I'm retarded and 100 tren ace eod is too much for a first tren cycle and adding extra test was again under the advice of someone I trusted would know. Just like I was told proviron would do the trick and not to worry about picking up anything else for the cycle.
Would dropping the tren to 50mg eod and the test to 100mg eod help?

 

[TeamTGB]

I've run test in many other cycles of different esters and I have never had estrogen issues. I thought I had done my research and I was also going forward under the advice of my dealer and a national ranked bodybuilder... I always have my AI and pct on hand in case such things should happen, however according to that video I'm retarded and 100 tren ace eod is too much for a first tren cycle and adding extra test was again under the advice of someone I trusted would know. Just like I was told proviron would do the trick and not to worry about picking up anything else for the cycle.
Would dropping the tren to 50mg eod and the test to 100mg eod help?

Well there is a few things to combat with trenbolone, Tren which increases prolactin secretion is essentially like having a bonfire testosterone or other compounds that aromatize are like gasoline and things can escalate quickly in this sense. So we commonly run lower aromatizing compounds with trenbolone. Not to say it cant be done far from it, if one was to run say cabergoline and aromazin or letrozole ie from the get go then sure higher test levels can be ran no problem. Theres really many routes to take with trenbolone, and ones goals can be a huge base point on the structure of a trenbolone cycle.

 

[Mudveins]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the likelihood of my issue being test dose related is very unlikely. As said before, the libido is the only side effect I have experienced... No sensitive tits, no lactating, no water retention or any that is noticible. So other than getting bloodwork done, I'm assuming it's safe to say that it's a tren dose problem. Although I am kind of curious why I haven't experienced night sweats, insomnia or aggression.

 

[whiteboystomp]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the likelihood of my issue being test dose related is very unlikely. As said before, the libido is the only side effect I have experienced... No sensitive tits, no lactating, no water retention or any that is noticible. So other than getting bloodwork done, I'm assuming it's safe to say that it's a tren dose problem. Although I am kind of curious why I haven't experienced night sweats, insomnia or aggression.

just because you don't have the outward signs-doesn't mean that you aren't having "inward" issues. all of this starts from the inside out, anyway. you are altering your bodies natural chemistry. anything could happen, bro. its very very individualized. some have sides, some don't. some have more, some have less. and none of it can be predicted as to whom will suffer from what.

 

[whiteboystomp]

I've run test in many other cycles of different esters and I have never had estrogen issues. I thought I had done my research and I was also going forward under the advice of my dealer and a national ranked bodybuilder... I always have my AI and pct on hand in case such things should happen, however according to that video I'm retarded and 100 tren ace eod is too much for a first tren cycle and adding extra test was again under the advice of someone I trusted would know. Just like I was told proviron would do the trick and not to worry about picking up anything else for the cycle.
Would dropping the tren to 50mg eod and the test to 100mg eod help?

you are one of the lucky ones, estrogen wise. doesn't bother me much either - and my body metabolizes test at a much more efficient rate than most. kinda freaky actually. my training partners and I have run the exact same test/dosages/protocol ... and mine will consistently test out 500-700 higher than any one else when we get bloods run. crazy.

for a first run - I would have suggested 200/200 ... with pinning it at 50mg each on a true eod schedule.

as far as where your info is coming from, etc.... sources want to sell, your ranked BB friend is light years beyond you - and most people for that matter. and as far as that video making you feel retarded - don't. I saw some of it - will finish it - but by what ive seen its basically spewing a lot of scientific book **** that anyone could have picked up. AND - some other basic **** that everyone talks about. no offense to the posters of the vid. some valuable nuggets in there in regard to tren ace/E, and using Ace first because of the quick clearance, lower dosages (of which I totally agree with)etc etc. but also some stuff that doesn't make sense in the same regard - when someone suggests running deca first, and then if everything goes well -- run npp. npp is nothing but the shorter estered version of deca. so ... run Ace on the tren first cuz it shorter estered - but run the long deca before npp. that doesnt make any ****ing sense. maybe they misspoke - or something. I don't know. just remember man ... there is a lot of bro-science out there. and a lot of scientific data AND bro-science being spewed by people that have never run what they speak of. all I'm saying -- be careful where you get your info from. that's all.

 

[Mudveins]

Thank you very much for the reply, I appreciate the thought put in. In your personal opinion will I save myself by lowering the dose to 50 tren and 100 test... Or am I too far gone?

 

[Mudveins]

Or even 50/50mg eod?... Or would it be too late now to matter?

 

[whiteboystomp]

Thank you very much for the reply, I appreciate the thought put in. In your personal opinion will I save myself by lowering the dose to 50 tren and 100 test... Or am I too far gone?

go to 50/50 --- both are short estered so will clear fairly quickly. I would still get on the exemestane at 12.5 eod, even at that dosage. order the caber -- start it .50 e3d.

 

[whiteboystomp]

Or even 50/50mg eod?... Or would it be too late now to matter?

its never too late to matter ... and never too soon to prepare.

 

[TeamTGB]

Why not run your tren higher then your test, tren will always out compete test for the androgen receptor.

 

[whiteboystomp]

Why not run your tren higher then your test, tren will always out compete test for the androgen receptor.

right - so no need to run it higher at this low a dosage. as weight and size are gained - and then possible the need for higher dosage, obviously.

next step - I would say - would be 200-250test/wk - I personally run 250...and 400 on the tren. now we fall into the area you are speaking of.

so -- I agree with you -- like said before - tren is a very "whore-ish" drug. if its already going to be the first to the finish line, even on a 1:1 ratio --- why would you need to feed it more???

 

[Mudveins]

So 50mg ace 50 prop eod sounds good to you as an attempt?

 

[whiteboystomp]

So 50mg ace 50 prop eod sounds good to you as an attempt?

yup ... that's where I woulda started. matter fact - that was exactly MY very first tren run. you don't need to run a lot of this **** to get some really nice results. I think as a general rule - people (those that don't compete) run WAAYYY to high of dosages. the less you can use to get the desired results - the better. more does not always mean more- either. its called the law of diminishing returns. at a certain point you will NO LONGER get 1:1 risk/reward, and it starts to lean heavily to the risk side.

remember - this is a marathon, my man ... not a sprint.

ive been doiong this a long time ...I'm 48...blast and cruise. and granted today is no guarantee of tomorrow. but my bloods come back almost perfect. except my hematocrit levels when I run high dose EQ ....lol. those can get pretty ****ed up. but I always bring them back in line.

 

[Mudveins]

Thanks so much for your help man

 

[Mudveins]

Do you mind if I personal message you if I have anymore questions in the next couple weeks?

 

[whiteboystomp]

Thanks so much for your help man

you got it, man ... anytime.

also -- make sure to get bloods run here asap ... and then AGAIN about 4-6 weeks after ceasing the cycle. the only drug harder on my lipids than tren, is superdrol. sdrol wreaks ****ing havoc. go with the cycle assist for duration - and atleast double up on your vitamins, even after cycle ends, especially niacin. things typically return to normal within 6 weeks "or so" after cycle, assuming you started within normal ranges. I saw you ran DMZ in the past. less anabolic but more androgenic than sdrol ... but still converts to Azine, if I remember correctly off the top of my head (been awhile since looking at molecular make-up of these two),either way - both are pretty toxic, sooooo.... the point is --- keep an eye on things, bro. be safe

 

[whiteboystomp]

Do you mind if I personal message you if I have anymore questions in the next couple weeks?

not at all

 

[Mudveins]

So my libido is starting to return on its own with proviron, but nothing spectacular. Question for future cycles:
I know this is an ongoing topic, but is it better for libido to run your test higher than tren, test lower than tren, or equal doses? Or do I need to try each method to see which works for me?