- 05-21-2005, 07:18 PM
one of my buddies gave me a few 25g 1" B-D syringes w/ needles to practice injecting with in case I decide to do a cycle. I took canola oil and practiced filling the syringe without getting air bubbles etc. with no problem. Then I practiced injecting with a lemon, going in without shaking no prob, aspirating no prob. Then, when I went to actually inject the oil into the lemon, the oil would barely budge. It took over 20 sec to get the oil in fully. Now a lemon is much less dense inside then a muscle. And canola oil pretty much has the consistency of something like test e. Is it supposed to be this hard to inject with a 25g? Everyone keeps telling me to buy 25g if I decide to inject, but it seems hard to actually get the oil in (dont make fun of me for practicing)
- 05-21-2005, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
- 05-21-2005, 08:02 PM
oh yeah practicing is not stupid wish I had! I butchered the **** outta my delt first time.
05-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Oh hell, I still butcher the **** out of my delt.
What works best for me is to use 25g 1" on small stuff (delts, bis, tris) and to go with 23g 1.5" for ass and quad shots.
I don't feel too much with the smaller gauge. And if I hit a nerve I am going to feel it no matter what size needle I use. I am considering getting 25g 1.5 just to try though. Might help me inject slower.
Edit: not sure about my sterile oil inject idea. May need bb/ba, so nevermind.
05-22-2005, 11:06 AM
[QUOTE=Cardinal]1.5" for ass and quad shots.
I don't feel too much with the smaller gauge.
What do you mean by this? Do mean you get less of an effect for your aas when using smaller gauges?
I am looking at my ventro glute, but since I have a little fat in my mid section it looks like it would be injecting into fat not muscle. Is this true? Could you inject into the ventro even if you have a little fat there?
05-22-2005, 04:28 PM
I use 25g 1" pins for EVERYTHING except glutes, then I use a 1.5"...23g's are not too bad either...but I don't see the need for these guys who use canons or 20 or 22g's lol they must just be NUTS
Another suggestion would be placing the vial in some hot water before withdrawal...makes withdrawl and injecting so much easier/faster...and while the oil you injected is still warm you should rub the **** out of you injection spot and IMO that leads to almost NO post injection pain.
05-22-2005, 04:45 PM
what about the ventro question? It looks like a good injection site.
05-22-2005, 05:24 PM
The ventroglute site is probably lower than you think. Fat in the love handle area shouldn't interfere with ventrogluteal injections.Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-22-2005, 07:28 PM
The warmer you get the oil the more viscous it is. I can shoot 2 cc's thru a 25g into my quad in about 25-30 seconds...but as the oil cools down it does become very hard to push. I remember my first shot I thought something was wrong for sure, but it just takes awhile if you dont heat it up good!!!
05-22-2005, 07:41 PM
You could just be a man and get the 23s... They aren't painful at all really, and I like to dig them in nice and slow (calfs are painful as **** though so don't go there). I've darted my ass with a 20ga before, that didn't even hurt too bad, though I didn't like it
05-22-2005, 08:07 PM
ex, your just a crazy bastard, lol.
23's are not too bad IMO but I prefer 25's since when the oil is heated it slides in rather smooth, at least i think.
05-22-2005, 08:15 PM
Yeah I'm injecting prop EOD in the right glute with 1.5" and 25g needle and get it in there in like 15 seconds without ever aspirating and haven't had a problem. I run everything under hot water for about 30 seconds then inject immediately. I also do 2 injections each Sunday back to back in the right glute and it would be damn helpful if someone could explain how to do it in the right quad because my ass starts to hurt and I can't reach the left glute.
05-22-2005, 08:21 PM
you SHOULD aspirate even if the injection is faster without it...its simply an IMPORTANT safety precaution
05-22-2005, 11:37 PM
I've found calves pretty painless with 25ga 1".Originally Posted by exnihilo
05-22-2005, 11:38 PM
Do you go to the inner head or outer head?Originally Posted by kwantam
05-22-2005, 11:42 PM
Outer. I might give inner a try some time.Originally Posted by exnihilo
05-22-2005, 11:44 PM
The inner is more painful than the outer for me, but YMMV.
05-22-2005, 11:50 PM
Good to know.Originally Posted by exnihilo
05-22-2005, 11:52 PM
famous last wordsOriginally Posted by bigred869
why the **** wouldn't you aspirate? it literally takes 3 seconds
05-23-2005, 08:25 AM
spotinjections.com have good pics but no pics for the ventroglute. Does anyone know a site that actually has a pic (not some anatomical diagram with all the muscles and ****) showing this injection?
05-23-2005, 08:48 AM
LOL, you guys are nuts!! Sitting here listening to you guys sticking yourselves with needles and oils and hitting nerves, abcesses and infections and tearing up muscles, crazy **** I tell you!!!!!
05-23-2005, 10:59 AM
Damn, I thought I had a pic somewhere. I know this might be a lil scary but the ventroglute is really the easiest ****ing site to hit. Stand straight up and put your hands on your hip, flex your legs and ass. See the dimple on your butt? The site is about 1" below your hand (where your thumb and 1st finger make a V) or 1-2" above that little dimple. You should be able to push on the site while flexing and it will be somewhat hard. You can go in 1.5" at 90 degrees or 45 if you want.....I'll try to find the pic for you....or maybe I will make oneOriginally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-23-2005, 11:02 AM
yea that visual is still lacking. I do understand the "1 above the butt dimple" Do you inject straight in or at an angle?
05-23-2005, 11:03 AM
|--[\\\]>---------Originally Posted by Methyl1
05-23-2005, 11:04 AM
90 degrees means straight in? Is a 1" pin good for this site? It doesnt sound scary it actually sound really easy if I can just get a pic of exactly what the hell I am supposed to do.
05-23-2005, 11:06 AM
Either.Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
Put your hands on your hips and look at yourself in the mirror. Look above the dimple. See the mass of muscle? Its a big site bro and hard to miss, everytime i think I might have ****ed up it was all good. Its pretty high up on your ass, seems almost too high but nope. thats why its the ventroglute
05-23-2005, 11:06 AM
1.5" pins unless your lean as ****e bro....wanna make sure you get it deep.
05-23-2005, 11:11 AM
Ok, found it. Taken from WCB. Here is the ventroglute aka gluteus medius.Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-23-2005, 11:18 AM
nice ass hahaha. so its slight to the rear literally.
05-23-2005, 11:21 AM
there is no way if I ever decide to pin, I am gonna use a 1.5. **** that.
05-23-2005, 11:24 AM
LOL! Thats a sweet drawing of a Hypedermic needle! Yes, I am scared to stick my self with pins, but more power to the bro's that do itOriginally Posted by Boss_K
05-23-2005, 11:26 AM
Dude unless your small as hell 1.5" is nothing. I've put one almost all the way in my pec....You dont want to get your gear in subq...that would be a nasty nasty problem. 1.5" in glutes and quads and delts, pretty much everything is fine. Remember you dont put the needle all the way in regardless--just incase it breaks off, you don't wanna be running to the dr with a needle in your ass or wherever.Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-23-2005, 11:33 AM
I am not small, so 1 inch for ventro is a no no?, what about 1' for quads? I know kids that do 1" in there quads
05-23-2005, 11:38 AM
try it and you tell me.....Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-23-2005, 11:44 AM
even if I did try it, how I hell should I know if I was succesfull, I am a newbie to aas
05-23-2005, 11:48 AM
If you get a huge abcess and have to go to the er you were unsucessful and should not use a 1" pin for glutes again.Originally Posted by UNDERTAKER
05-23-2005, 11:52 AM
05-23-2005, 12:31 PM
what about injecting a 1 1/2 22g into the ventroglute. Is 22g to obig? The reason I ask is cuz a buddy of mine who has a stockpile of 2 pins sizes (22" 1 1/2 and 25 1"), says he will give me a whole bunch for free. I know about getpinz.com but I just figured this would be eaiser. The 22g 1 1/2 looks big and scary to me. He injects the 25 1' in his quads with no prob.
05-23-2005, 02:04 PM
05-23-2005, 02:09 PM
I ****en knew you were gonna say that. Looks like it would kill. What about 1" for the quads?
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