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Which do you guys think is the best for packing on the most mass and which is the most toxic?
I have to agree with him I've ran dmz three times and nothing blows me up quicker than dmz. I've ran msten a few times and I'm disappointed. Epistane I've never used during a bulk but man during a cut it'll have you diced to the socks, striations everywhereDmz hands down... alot of guys don't like it but it's my personal favorite oral to date. I'm on it right now actually lol just a few days in and already swelling up! 45mg for 5-6 weeks on a bulk can easily yield 12-20lbs gains (depending on diet, training and genetics of course)
Agreed.I have to agree with him I've ran dmz three times and nothing blows me up quicker than dmz. I've ran msten a few times and I'm disappointed. Epistane I've never used during a bulk but man during a cut it'll have you diced to the socks, striations everywhere
how long you been on and what kind of diet/surplus?I'm running dmz and Msten right now and it's ****ing amazing. Up 10 lbs right now but I'm not sure how muchof that is lbm and how much is just water weight.
Yeah I'd personally like to hear diet recommendations. I'm bulking right now but planning a few months ahead after some off time and it seems meticulous diet planning is a must.how long you been on and what kind of diet/surplus?
what dmz are you using? and what dosages bro? i planning a good cycle of dmz for the next monthI have to agree with him I've ran dmz three times and nothing blows me up quicker than dmz. I've ran msten a few times and I'm disappointed. Epistane I've never used during a bulk but man during a cut it'll have you diced to the socks, striations everywhere
Does it make you hold alot of water? Wet bulk?Dmz hands down... alot of guys don't like it but it's my personal favorite oral to date. I'm on it right now actually lol just a few days in and already swelling up! 45mg for 5-6 weeks on a bulk can easily yield 12-20lbs gains (depending on diet, training and genetics of course)
I'm on a dirty bulk, >500 cal a week above my maintenance. I'm running BSL super dmz which has Msten @10mg a cap and DMZ at 10mg a cap. Running that at 4 caps a day and running epi andro and nor andro from iml at 4 caps a day with liver support and aromasin. I'm thinking the nor andro is causing me to hold on to a lot of glycogen and water, but either way I've gone from 160 to 172 in a matter of weeks.Yeah I'd personally like to hear diet recommendations. I'm bulking right now but planning a few months ahead after some off time and it seems meticulous diet planning is a must.
Sdmz 2.0 was my first cycle. It's an awesome combo but would be nice if the dmz were dosed at 20mg per cap to hit the sweet spot.I'm on a dirty bulk, >500 cal a week above my maintenance. I'm running BSL super dmz which has Msten @10mg a cap and DMZ at 10mg a cap. Running that at 4 caps a day and running epi andro and nor andro from iml at 4 caps a day with liver support and aromasin. I'm thinking the nor andro is causing me to hold on to a lot of glycogen and water, but either way I've gone from 160 to 172 in a matter of weeks.
I should have done pre measurements, I'll measure my arms to see how much bigger they've gotten but I don't have measurements for anything else.
I also don't feel lethargic, which I know is one of the sides of running DMZ and Msten so I'm thinking the bsl DMZ might be under dosed.
I thought the same thing. I am grabbing DMZ to add in with the rest of my SDMZ 2.0.Sdmz 2.0 was my first cycle. It's an awesome combo but would be nice if the dmz were dosed at 20mg per cap to hit the sweet spot.
I experienced no water retention only intracellular water which makes muscles fuller... but honestly man holding water comes down to diet and genetics. I don't even hold water on creatine mono, but everyones different.Does it make you hold alot of water? Wet bulk?
Have you tried Trest? That is a wet no matter how you slice it.I experienced no water retention only intracellular water which makes muscles fuller... but honestly man holding water comes down to diet and genetics. I don't even hold water on creatine mono, but everyones different.
Yup I know my diet is spot on and I don't like the swelled puffy muscle look ether so it's not for me. Thanks FrankI experienced no water retention only intracellular water which makes muscles fuller... but honestly man holding water comes down to diet and genetics. I don't even hold water on creatine mono, but everyones different.
I'm just not feeling as much as I wanted or thought I would be. I'm seeing gains but I'm not feeling as amazing as I thought so I might cut it short and just pct then start running real stuffI thought the same thing. I am grabbing DMZ to add in with the rest of my SDMZ 2.0.
I'm on it right now with dmz lol. I'm also running exemestane however to keep estrogen at bay.Have you tried Trest? That is a wet no matter how you slice it.
Bro of course you won't FEEL amazing these are very suppressive and toxic compounds... you need a test base like trest or 4-andro as mentioned aboveI'm just not feeling as much as I wanted or thought I would be. I'm seeing gains but I'm not feeling as amazing as I thought so I might cut it short and just pct then start running real stuff
Dmz is amazing; that's why I ran dmz 2.0 but I was ashamed of it tbh. Dmz straight did more yield in gainz than 2.0. I felt so big and cocky on dmz. Had the Garda six pack I've ever had. I'm thinking about running that again or norDmz hands down... alot of guys don't like it but it's my personal favorite oral to date. I'm on it right now actually lol just a few days in and already swelling up! 45mg for 5-6 weeks on a bulk can easily yield 12-20lbs gains (depending on diet, training and genetics of course)
It's a great compound. Just finished week 1 and I'm feeling like a beast in the gym already lolDmz is amazing; that's why I ran dmz 2.0 but I was ashamed of it tbh. Dmz straight did more yield in gainz than 2.0. I felt so big and cocky on dmz. Had the Garda six pack I've ever had. I'm thinking about running that again or nor
I'm not for sure.
I have one too. Use it, see what happens and let us know. You should feel 48mg of DMZ very soon. If it's bunk, nothing will happen.I have a bottle of AT Xtreme DMZ everyone's saying it's bunk though.. yay.
I mean I bought through nutri-verse and volvo stands behind it so im just at a loss for what to do.. I have some MethylClostebol coming soon, and M1t-Oxime so i have options.. Aiming for dry recomp doing a 14 weeker test e Mast e, winny finisher, just trying to decide on my kicker.I have one too. Use it, see what happens and let us know. You should feel 48mg of DMZ very soon. If it's bunk, nothing will happen.
It also looked like he just started lifting when he started the thread haha, but I digress- Eh I guess i'll give it a shot, gonna have 16 weeks in total to space 2 orals soSame thing here - but if you're ready to kickstart your cycle soon... again, just use the Xtreme DMZ @48mg. If it's good, it'll kick in fast and you'll hopefully have a great experience. If not... nothing bad will happen, except you'll be $60 short, or less if you bought it on sale. Sure, your kickstart gets delayed, but it's not the end of the world. At least we'll know it's not good and we won't make the same mistake again. I certainly hope it's good, because one of the AM posters jimjones87 had a very good experience with it last year. Gained ~12lbs on Xtreme DMZ solo without losing definition, and I think he got a lot stronger too.
WIll do- ill give it a shot- I have faith in VolvoI know, but he had a solid foundation, was lean (if I remember correctly, he's a distance runner so he would not want to look like, or be as heavy as a bodybuilder anyway). But he obviously got results from it, there's no denying that by looking at the pics, and that's after only 30-ish days. In any case mate, let me know when you start this, I'd like to follow your progress.
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