1test/4ad + SD cycle?

[hamper19]

I have done lots of searches and it seems a lot of people do mostly SD alone.

I was getting ready to do another Trans 1test/4ad cycle, and have been bit by the SD bug and thinking of adding it.

What do yous think? Prolly add it @ 20MG/DAY for 4 weeks.

anyone take SD with trans 1test? I think Dr. D mentioned something quickly in one of his posts.

And now that i read its being sold on BB.com, figure I better jump on the bandwagon while i still can.

h19

[NPursuit]

I'm finishing up a 1-test/sd cycle and I'm very happy with the results. The gains are lean, and strength is through the roof.

[hamper19]

I'm finishing up a 1-test/sd cycle and I'm very happy with the results. The gains are lean, and strength is through the roof.

how many pounds of LBM would u say you gained?
Any fat gain/loss?

[NPursuit]

This has been a 7 week cutter cycle.
Week 1-7 375mg 1-test
Week 1-4 24-36mg m40hn
Week 5-7 20mg SD

I'm on roughly 3000 cals a day. The last accurate weighin was +5lbs. I'm not sure of my exact fat loss, but I've leaned out fairly well. This is the best cutting cycle I have done.

[hamper19]

NIce, I actually have some MOhn left also. Was wondering what I could do with it. (also have Methyll Jacked, and 2bottles of M1T) lol...

[milwood]

I'd run it like this:
1. 1T, 4AD, M4OHN (only 8mg)
2. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg)
3. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg), letro
4. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg), letro
5. 1T, M4OHN (36mg) OR 1T, MDHT (75mg)
6. 1T, M4OHN (36mg) OR 1T, MDHT (75mg)

start frontloading, then 3 weeks of SD (letro for me, 'cause I bloat like hell), small amts of M4 the whole way (so it's in your system (takes time to kick in)), then end with the high M4OHN or MDHT with 1T.

Another simpler way would be:
1 1T, 4AD
2 1T, 4AD, SD
3 1T, 4AD, SD
4 1T, 4AD, SD
5 1T, MDHT
6 1T, MDHT
Again, that's just me, based on personal exp. with these subtances. Chances are you'd have to feel things out and tweak it accordingly. Good luck!

[hamper19]

I'd run it like this:
1. 1T, 4AD, M4OHN (only 8mg)
2. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg)
3. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg), letro
4. 1T, 4AD, SD, M4OHN (8mg), letro
5. 1T, M4OHN (36mg) OR 1T, MDHT (75mg)
6. 1T, M4OHN (36mg) OR 1T, MDHT (75mg)

start frontloading, then 3 weeks of SD (letro for me, 'cause I bloat like hell), small amts of M4 the whole way (so it's in your system (takes time to kick in)), then end with the high M4OHN or MDHT with 1T.

Another simpler way would be:
1 1T, 4AD
2 1T, 4AD, SD
3 1T, 4AD, SD
4 1T, 4AD, SD
5 1T, MDHT
6 1T, MDHT
Again, that's just me, based on personal exp. with these subtances. Chances are you'd have to feel things out and tweak it accordingly. Good luck!

whats the reason for not running the 4AD all the way through?

I have 206 caps of MOHN left, so I can swing that, might actually doube the dosage on the 4th week, no reason to have 20 caps left over.

have one full bottle of Mdht (90 caps) and some leftovers probably close to a full bottle also.

[DmitryWI]

What I would (will) do

Week1 1-t/4-ad/sd
Week2 1-t/4-ad/sd
Week3 1-t/4-ad/m4ohn
Week4 1-t/4-ad/m4ohn
Week5 1-t/4-ad/m4ohn
Week6 1-t/4-ad/m4ohn

[milwood]

whats the reason for not running the 4AD all the way through?

I have 206 caps of MOHN left, so I can swing that, might actually doube the dosage on the 4th week, no reason to have 20 caps left over.

have one full bottle of Mdht (90 caps) and some leftovers probably close to a full bottle also.

my only reason would be that I like to harden/dry up the last couple weeks, and 4AD keeps too much water for me. Besides, the M4OHN seems to work to keep me feeling good, not lethargic. Either way would be fine, though.

[warriorway]

superdrol, 1 test trans, 4ad trans made me lethargic as a mofo. And when I say lethargic as a mofo I mean I could sleep for 12-16 hours if I let myself, wake up for a couple hours and then take a nap. But I gained 28 pounds in 4 weeks, I felt so musclebound at the end it was ridiculous.

My personal view is not to stack superdrol and 1 test. I would save the 1 test, mohn, and mdht for a cut. I'd do superdrol and 4ad to bulk.

[klugman]

superdrol, 1 test trans, 4ad trans made me lethargic as a mofo. And when I say lethargic as a mofo I mean I could sleep for 12-16 hours if I let myself, wake up for a couple hours and then take a nap. But I gained 28 pounds in 4 weeks, I felt so musclebound at the end it was ridiculous.

My personal view is not to stack superdrol and 1 test. I would save the 1 test, mohn, and mdht for a cut. I'd do superdrol and 4ad to bulk.

did you try upping the 4-ad at all to counter the lethargy?

[Alpha Dog]

I can't empasize what warriorway said enough. I am about two weeks in to a 1-test/4-ad (transdermal) and sd cycle. The gains have been the best I have ever seen at the two week mark (even better than test/tren pinned and sd cycle in January). However, the largargy is kicking my ass. I have been running 1-test/4-ad trans cycles for four years now, and nothing has ever comapred to the lethargy on this cycle. I could also easily sleep 14 hours a day.

If you are going to try this stack, while it is extremely effective, be prepared to feel like a 20 year old cat on valium. Your gonna want to sleep all day long.

[NPursuit]

I'm glad I don't have to deal with the lethargy on 1-test. The stuff does the exact opposite to me.

[ryansm]

Man, those are some crazy gains.

[hamper19]

I don't get lethargic either..luckily

[Alpha Dog]

Neither did I, even on 1-test only cycles. Not until the inlcusion of sd.

[hamper19]

hmm, how long was the cycle? Running SD the whole time?

[Alpha Dog]

I am running it now. About 11 days in to it. I am switching to Max LMG at the two week mark to finish out the last two weeks (again with the 1-test/4-ad trans). Doing this for two reasons. One, to get rid of this damn lethargy and also to prevent totally screwing up my lipid profile from four weeks of continuous use of sd.

[ryansm]

Yes, but do you think two weeks is enough time?

[Alpha Dog]

Yes, but do you think two weeks is enough time?

Yea, more than enough time to start the cycle. Again, it is a four week cycle of 1-test/4-ad transdermal with an oral. The first two weeks will be sd and the last two will be max lmg for the oral. As far as two weeks being enough with regards to the sd, it was a great kickstart to the cycle. Eleven days in an I am up a total of nine pounds total (not lbm, a lot of it is water). But, that's a lot for me, I've been doing this for a long time. While I don't expect to continue that rate of progress for the second half of the cycle, I woudn't see those gains even if I were to stay on sd (law of diminshing returns). But I expect to put on a few more pounds during the final two weeks and at the same time not totally f*ck my lipid panel