I would be using the test base in a transdermal if it were me...
I finally found a place that sells some powders, mainly test base, Im just wondering how you go about making up a test suspension solution. I'm pretty sure it is a test base I need, since it acts so fast because there is not ester. So if anyone has some homebrewing methods for this, or if I'm going about this all wrong, feel free to chime in. Trying to figure out a cycle for later on this year.
Also if you have any advice on dosage per day and how to inject to avoid scar tissue (haven't had to inject everyday before), let me know what you do. Im also looking for something to stack with this, preferrably something with little estrogen, something that provides lean mass gains (been thinking of giving tren a try, just not sure about the hairline issues).
I would be using the test base in a transdermal if it were me...
test base is a pretty tricky thing to make well. doses from 60-100mg/day are common. beware that it will be painfull at even 100mg/ml
If you decide to make it, suspend it in oil and not water. It will need to be inejcted daily so you will need to be comfortable using various injection sites. To avoid scar tissue, use a 25gauge or smaller for injections and rotate sites often(glutes, quads, delts, traps, biceps, lats, pecs, tris, etc)
What would you recommend? Suspension or transdermal? If I am getting the same amount in my blood it should not make a difference, test is test and either way there is not ester attached. Im just trying to figure out if I will be able to get enough on or what concentrate for dermal I should go. Also would it be best to use something like penatrate for the dermal, or should I make my own dsmo (or does penatrate use this, not sure)?
EDIT: the problem I am having with dermal is from the fact that it will be hard to get a high dose I want to have. I already did a test enan with dbol and had moderate gains, but not what I expected. Diet and training were good, but I believe it was from earlier this year when I had done a high dose of 1-test cyp/sledge test, might have got my really good cycle out from that. So I am planning on taking a good amount of time off.
if you didn't really get what you were looking for out of your test dbol cycle and you're sure your training and diet were fine and that the gear was legit .. i would recommend running a test deca cycle and seeing if the additition of a strong anabolic helps .. sometimes people just seem not to respond all that well to test alone
Well I got my stuff from a guy that has been around for a while and checked out ok with some mods here. But what I got was his new line that he just came out with. So who knows, his new stuff could be underdosed or something. As for my cycle, it will have something else in it, not just test, which was something I was trying to figure out what else I should add in. Not sure about deca, I need some more research.Originally Posted by glenihan
I've ran a few test base dermals and they all went well. It's pretty easy to get 100mg absorbed a day with a dermal bro.Originally Posted by snakebyte05
Yea. now that I think about it, it had been so long with a dermal I was thinking all wrong. I was thinking if I wanted 700mgs of test, I would need to do that every day to equal 700mg test cyp. Dunno what I was thinking, major brain fart.Originally Posted by jminis
Well if I get penatrate and get 15grams in it (assuming it actually holds that) and squirt 6mls on a day, 7 days a week that would be 787mgs a week absorbed (assuming 30% gets absorbed).
Anyone know how well penatrate works? Also what would be a good oral to add with this cycle? Superdrol? Just trying to find out what I have to work with. Something with low estrogen sides.
Would a TB dermal be the same as any other dermal, as in I need to wait 3weeks for it to kick in? Or should a 7 week cycle of TB dermal be good for a short cycle? Not sure if it would be enough time on.
On a positive note, I was re-reading some TB dermal cycles and noticed in Jminis that 20g of TB should fit in the 8oz bottle of penetrate. Should make applying very easy. Only 4-5mls a day.
EDIT:Well I am trying to decide which dermal to use. Tgel or penetrate. I have heard tgel has better absorption then penetrate, just not sure if this is true. Also it says 12g in a 4oz bottle of tgel, im guessing that is the high end, and TB should probably get close to that? So which one do you think would be best?
Also, one thing I can't seem to figure is what would be a good oral to go along with this. Im looking at legal ones first, but there is limited choice, mainly SD which I would make my own solution again. If anyone else has some good suggestions for legal (or illegal) for lean mass gains, please give some input.
I am not experienced with the transdermals, but you should notice the effects very rapidly. Try dosing it at least 2x daily. Results should be quite good as test base has a low molecular weight so I would expect it to work well. Honestly, I would expect to feel effects in a matter of days.
Size your right on man. It usually takes about 4-5days and my libido is through the roof. I've used both penetrate and tgel and tgel has a higher absorbtion for sure.Originally Posted by size
Penetrate is easier to work with and you can get a higher dosed solution while tgel has better absorbtion and is a lotion not liquid. It's up to you bro.
As for orals, take your pic, I'm on a cutter and running dbol and moving into var. I would say if you have SD just use that.
Do you have a rough estimate at which tgel would absorb? Im looking for a low end estimate so I know how much tb I need to get and apply. It doesn't seem like you can get more into penetrate that tgel, tgel says 4oz can get 10-12grams. Many say tb is easy to get in most solutions, so im guessing 10g shouldn't be hard. Penetrate supposidly can get 20g tb, only difference is it is 8oz.Originally Posted by jminis
Honestly I get 10g in Tgel and I don't think I could get much more without it getting grainy. Penetrate I bet I could get 15g in 4oz. I would say the absorbtion rate for tgel is probably around 40%. The DMFA is a great, far better then DMSO for many reasons. Remember the guy who made it (Chemo) the man knows his **** and does things for a reason. Long live BDC, lolOriginally Posted by snakebyte05
I've heard subjective reports on avant from some people who have used both phlojel ultra and tgel, and phlojel was deemed the winner. A little DMSO and d-limonene (supposedly 10 and 3% respectively) is supposed to improve the penetration a decent amount too.
I'd like to do a rat study using different transdermal matrices, lol. Shave the rats, apply transdermals with test base twice a day for a week, and then kill the rats and then seperate out the test from the blood and see what causes the greatest increase in test levels... Wonder if I could get funding for such an experiment
LOL Search pubmed I think they already did that. Seriously though it would be nice to get some solid numbers on absorbtion rate. I base mine on results I get when I run test enanth or prop cycles at certain dosages.Originally Posted by exnihilo
So to get 10g in tgel I would have to add slowly and keep giving hot water baths while shaking the hell out of it? Would adding a bolt or ball bearing inside help it all get into solution? Also if I get 10g in 4oz do you think 6ml would be overkill? Im trying to underestimate the abosbtion by guessing 30% being absorbed. That would be 1g absorbed a week. Or should I go for 5ml and hope for 40% and get 1g at the very most on optimal absorbtion?
To bad I dont have something like 1-test prop, that would be great on this cycle. 1-test cyp was one of my best cycles ever. To bad I do not have enough for a good cycle based on that. I guess I will save it for a longer cycle I will do far off in the future and use it as a smaller dose. Just ahve to find out how much I have left.
I'll pitch in $10Originally Posted by exnihilo
I would do everything you said, i would transfer to a glass beaker and add 3-4 grams at a time with a something like a ball bearing, bolt, whatever to help seperate and mix. Usually takes a little while but it will all disolve. I would honestly plan on 40%.Originally Posted by snakebyte05