cutting w/test and clen
- 05-01-2005, 05:14 PM
cutting w/test and clen
hey guys .. real quick question.. ive done lots of research and i have everything on hand that i want for my next cut.. im planning on using 1 test transdermal and maybe some clen and benadryl along with it.. now my question is this... if im watching the scale, which is normally how i cut, will i be able to lose more weight during a single week like say 3 or 4 pounds since im using these compounds or is it still the same 1 to 2 pounds per week. i do want to lose mainly bodyfat during my cut.. but i was just wondering with the effects of using these two compounds would be enough to allow me to burn more bodyfat during a week and maintain lbm at the same time... hope this makes sense.. thanks
- 05-01-2005, 06:49 PM
Are we talking about test or 1 test? I've had pretty good results cutting with 1 test, but it sure as heck isn't test.
Why Benadryl? I dont think it works the same way Ketotifen does bro, hopefully someone else will confirm or deny this?
- 05-01-2005, 08:09 PM
1 test... and from what ive read benadryl works pretty damn good on your receptors after the 2nd or 3rd week... but im still wondering about my previous question... when you cut with 1 test did you lose more weight then normal during a single week?
05-01-2005, 08:29 PM
I'd have to say yes, but keep in mind that I was injecting, and using a gram a week. I've also read plenty of positive feedback from others who have injected at that kind of dosage. But how that equates into a transdermal application, will be up to you, with the actual absorption rate being ambiguous and all.
05-01-2005, 09:31 PM
hmmmm.. okay sounds good... how much do you think it would help to add in some 4ad with it.. if any?
i could use M1T with it but i would rather use that for the next time i clean bulk... any opinions?
05-02-2005, 12:39 AM
05-02-2005, 01:58 AM
no no i ment m1t as a completely seperate cycle.. i think i'll end up going with 1-test and 4ad
with the clen.. how many pounds do you think i can lose in a week if im using these without being too
concerned about losing lbm? thanks a lot for your help bro
05-02-2005, 02:00 AM
i ran 1-test cyp at a gram a week and loved it. however for cutting i would discourage it. of course i was running 4adcyp at a gram and a half a week...
05-02-2005, 03:46 PM
well thats the best i got for cutting right now because i dont want to go to the darkside till i get rid of all that ive stocked up on
i probabley end up running it at a high dose with nolva on hand..
05-02-2005, 04:37 PM
05-02-2005, 05:26 PM
i think he said he's using 4ad for test in that cycle...wouldnt be a bad idea but definately not TEST....
05-02-2005, 07:12 PM
Clen can strip off way more than 3-4 pounds per week if you're not careful..especially the first time you use it. Monitor calories, weight loss and cardio output carefully. I dropped about 8 pounds in 8 days being careless with it..obviously some was lbm.
05-02-2005, 11:54 PM
05-03-2005, 02:19 AM
ya well, i mean real gear not prohormones.. and from what ive read theres a big difference between the two.. overal gains wise .. maybe not so much side effect wise
05-03-2005, 08:01 AM
Exactly, sides are just as bad for gains that are all too often BS. Plus you're still taking a risk every time you order HCG to keep your boys swingin'. I've already chalked most of my PH stash as a bad investment.Originally Posted by tops2heavy
05-03-2005, 03:11 PM
05-03-2005, 03:26 PM
Getting your nuts shut down (even with PHs) + not bringing them back up to speed fast enough = you lose most of your gains = you wasted your time and money.
05-03-2005, 03:50 PM
wow.. everything ive researched has said nolva would be sufficient for pretty much all prohormone cycles unless they go on for a long period of time.. and ive used nolva alone before and had awesome gains during and after pct
05-03-2005, 03:58 PM
You're right, length and degree of suppression are the biggest factors here. Four weeks of pretty much anything isn't enough to really require hCG, but if you're doing a 16-week cycle, you'll really want some on hand.Originally Posted by tops2heavy
PH cycles seem to be, in general, much shorter than AAS cycles, so the use of hCG is less common.
05-03-2005, 04:48 PM
05-03-2005, 05:12 PM
Higher doses will shut you down faster, and m1t will shut you down regardless.
IMO, shut down is shut down, once it happens anything that can help you is worth taking, especially when we're talking about the family jewels.
Do you need it? No. That doesn't maen it's not worth using, as cheap as it is.
05-03-2005, 08:11 PM
some PH gains can be kickass, such as 1-test, m1,4ad, 4ad, 1,4 andro, etc. i wouldn't give up on your PH stash, and i wouldn't worry about HCG right now
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