hey guys, i suppose this is slightly off-topic, but there are ways of getting around the whole injection idea, while still getting a very high percentage into ur bloodstream. intranasals, and sub-linguals for example. from what ive read, the absorption rate of a intranasal using the method described in dazed's article (mindandmuscle.com, issue 9) is between 90%-95%. its pretty easy to turn a steroid or prohormone into a cyclodextrin so that it is usable in a sub-lingual or intranasal. so basically, considering that 4-ad is about 95% as anabolic as test, and u would be getting between 90%-95% of what ur using, u would be able to get between 85%-91% of what test would give u, anabolicly speaking. so hypothetically, lets say u have been using 560 mg a week of test (im not too familiar with steroid dosages, so if this is way off from a normal dose, go ahead and correct me), well if u were to use about 640 mg of 4-ad intranasaly, or sub-lingually, u should be right in the neighborhood of the affects of the test, without a single injection. this is all theoretical of course, so dont hold me to any of this, but this should, in theory work just fine. sorry for rambling on, i just thought this might be of use to u guys.