HGH or AAS or both... Need input.

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  1. Getting closer to figuring this all out... But there is another snag...

    Latest thing is the supplier will only ship 40 bottles out per package... so shipping wise it's way cheaper for me to get 600iu, in 40x15iu bottles. which means I would then have to do 5iu each day, as once reconsitituted you really should have it all injected in 72 hours or better. So It's looking like 5 on 2 off of 5iu ED.

    I'll probably get the 600IU, now.. and in 5 months, get some more.. hehe maybe 1200iu all together. :P

    5iu a day bad? it will cost me the same as 4iu a day, with all the shipping that would be involved.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    5iu a day bad? it will cost me the same as 4iu a day, with all the shipping that would be involved.
    Maybe do 4on/3off at 5iu a day?

    -kwantam
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  3. lol.. actually that's reminds me..

    since I'll be cracking 15iu bottles.. and I need to inject it all in 72 hours..

    I'll have to do 3 on 1 off...

  4. you really should start at 2iu and ramp up .. the sides won't be fun if you start at 5

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    lol.. actually that's reminds me..

    since I'll be cracking 15iu bottles.. and I need to inject it all in 72 hours..

    I'll have to do 3 on 1 off...
    I would do 7.5iu EOD.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    I would do 7.5iu EOD.
    Damn it.. that's not a bad Idea... Why did you have to say that.. lol

    I could also go 6 on and 2 or 3 off....

    2iu eod is out of the question though unless I want to spend more.... How uncomfortable can the sides be at 5IU ED?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    Damn it.. that's not a bad Idea... Why did you have to say that.. lol

    I could also go 6 on and 2 or 3 off....

    2iu eod is out of the question though unless I want to spend more.... How uncomfortable can the sides be at 5IU ED?
    Some people encounter joint pain and abdominal swelling (this is from water retention, it dissapears quickly on cessation of GH use).

  8. the bad side would be a carpal tunnel syndrome like feeling .. although if you go to the drug store and buy CTS braces and wear them on your wrists at night it will literally open up the carpal tunnel and do a lot to alleviate the pain

  9. EDIT (lol... this is poobah on my girlfriends computer... apparently she is spying on me. :P)
    2nd Edit... she wants me to delete the first edit... actually she's pretty kewl and supportive.. so anyway on with the question?

    What you all think of exnihilo suggestion...

    7.5iu EOD?

    It's starting to sound good.. considering the options.

  10. Shameless bump for peoples thoughts on Taking 7.5iu EOD... for 8 months or so..

    3.75 in the morning.. and 3.75 in the evening... ?

  11. I've read eod injections are the most beneficial.

  12. Well at this point, due to all the circumstances involved.. looks like that might be my most cost effective, and potentially least harmful way to run this cycle... I'm just dreading terrible sides.. But for the most part I haven't encountered a side I couldn't handle.

    Looks like I might be a guinea pig after all...

    I'll probably place my order in the next week. And I'll keep a log..

    Unless someone can talk me out of it....

  13. Hey poob, are you gonna keep a log over at bb4u?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    Well at this point, due to all the circumstances involved.. looks like that might be my most cost effective, and potentially least harmful way to run this cycle... I'm just dreading terrible sides.. But for the most part I haven't encountered a side I couldn't handle.
    Try DNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    Looks like I might be a guinea pig after all...

    I'll probably place my order in the next week. And I'll keep a log..

    Unless someone can talk me out of it....
    No reason to talk you out of it if you're not putting yourself out in any way financially to purchase the GH - otherwise I'd suggest sticking with the gear as the cost effective solution.

    I still wouldn't just run the GH by itself, combined with test, tren, slin and maybe a little T3 you will doubtless get absolutely shredded while probably gaining lean mass to boot (as long as your diet and exercise are in check of course).

  15. Damn.. i had a long response.. but It got lost.

    Nate.. hell yea I'll keep a log there, and here. I started on BB4U, and I learned a lot here. Maybe I can help a bit myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    Try DNP



    No reason to talk you out of it if you're not putting yourself out in any way financially to purchase the GH - otherwise I'd suggest sticking with the gear as the cost effective solution.

    I still wouldn't just run the GH by itself, combined with test, tren, slin and maybe a little T3 you will doubtless get absolutely shredded while probably gaining lean mass to boot (as long as your diet and exercise are in check of course).
    And Hell yea.. I agree. I will be running a cycle and probably 2... test enan/tren enan/masteron enan with test prop kicking it off and ending it.. but I'm just recently off cycle... need at least 2 more months off before I start up. I'll be using Slin through out, probably upped calories and doubling up on slin meals during the AAS portions. But it is a cutter, so I gota watch it.. but I imagine on all that stuff, 500+ calories will not hinder fat loss.

    Damn I'm getting excited.

  16. I wanted to post this because it doesn't seem like you guys know about it:

    Gastrointestinal effects of growth hormone.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=10905374
    Shulman DI.
    Department of Pediatrics, University of South Florida College of Medicine, Tampa, USA. [email protected]
    GH receptor immunoreactivity is found throughout the gastrointestinal tract. GH has proliferative effects upon intestinal epithelium, and influences enteroendocrine cell secretion, calcium absorption, and intestinal amino acid and ion transport. The proliferative effects of GH may be reflected in the increased incidence of neoplastic colonic polyps in individuals with long-term GH excess reported by some investigators. GH also increases hepatic cytochrome P450 expression, potentially altering drug and steroid hormone metabolism. Current clinical research efforts include the use of exogenous GH as a stimulant of gut growth and adaptation in patients who have undergone massive intestinal resection. Exogenous GH is also being studied in animal models of critical illness where it appears to increase intestinal glutamine uptake, which may prevent deterioration of the intestinal mucosal barrier.
    Publication Types:
    Review
    Review, Tutorial
    PMID: 10905374 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

    It's similar to the grapefruit juice warnings you hear about.

  17. I think I have finally figured out my best 2 options.

    I was thinking I had to inject all of the 15iu bottle within 72 hours... so that gave me 3 injections at 5iu ed at best. But I didn't do my math.

    My first injection would be 0 hour... So I actually have a 4 day window.

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    Option 1: (600IU)

    Day 1, 3.75 IU 00hours
    Day 2, 3.75 IU 24hours
    Day 3, 3.75 IU 48hours
    Day 4, 3.75 IU 72hours
    Day 5, off
    Repeat 39 more times.

    On 4 on 1 off... I would use 1 bottle every 5 days.... 40 bottles x 5 days = 200 days / 30 days = 6.666 months (13.332 months if I get another 600IU down the road which I probably will)

    Plus I always have the option to go 5iu ED 3 days on / 1 day off down the road.

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    Option 2.

    Day 1, 7.5 IU 00hours
    Day 2, off
    Day 3, 7.5 IU 48hours
    Day 3, off
    Repeat 39 more times.

    If I did 7.5 IU EOD... I will use up 1 bottle every 4 days....40 bottles x 4 days = 160 days / 30 days = 5.3 months (10.6 months if I get another 600IU.)

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    I have to say I like Option one by far the best, simply cause it's closer to a standard dosing schedule... 7.5IU ED scares me... and well last longer and probably with less sides. I'm not up for being a guinee pig I guess. :P

  18. Don't forget you will want to ramp up your dosage, start at 2iu's at slowly up it until you reach your intended dosage, sides could potentially be unbearable without. Here is a good thread over at chemical fitness

    http://www.chemicalfitness.com/forum...read.php?t=447

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Neuromancer
    Don't forget you will want to ramp up your dosage, start at 2iu's at slowly up it until you reach your intended dosage, sides could potentially be unbearable without. Here is a good thread over at chemical fitness

    http://www.chemicalfitness.com/forum...read.php?t=447
    Thanks I'll check it out.. although it will be difficult dosing like that.. since I really should use up a bottle inside of 72 hours.

  20. Options.
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    A. a 6 month cycle of
    ...HGH at 6iu ED
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    B. a 3 month cycle of
    ...1-12 Test Enan 500-750mg EW
    ...1-10 Tren Enan 400mg EW
    ...1-12 Masteron Enan 400mg EW
    go with the B. definitely man I bet you don't wanna deal with the potential nasty ass effects of GH... But if you really want to go with peptides then get your hands on some rIL-15. And for the inhibiting effect of P450 enzyme buy some DHB ..
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