- 04-07-2005, 10:36 PM
after searching and getting no clear answer, i guess i'll post here. What exactly is the "magic solution" that people put in a tren conversion kit? i've seen everything from straight methanol, to a mix of ba/bb/oil, etc. I refuse to pay somebody for a kit that i allready have the raw materials for. so, anybody know what the "magic solution" is?
- 04-07-2005, 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by chasec
Very easy, cheaper, and cleaner stuff.
04-08-2005, 11:57 AM
With some it's only BA and a high amount that will hurt when injected. IMO, you are better off mixing your own BA and BB.
Try 3%BA and 15%BB
04-08-2005, 02:12 PM
04-08-2005, 03:26 PM
Only if you're eating synovex... fina pellets don't have much in them except cellulose.Originally Posted by glenihan
So basically, it's like eating fina and some typing paper.
04-08-2005, 03:28 PM
04-08-2005, 03:32 PM
Just hella hard on your liver if you go the oral route.
I really need to get into this chemistry crap.
04-08-2005, 03:36 PM
fina is not liver toxic taken orally. It is exspensive however as you only have about a 25% absorbsion rate.Originally Posted by Cuffs
04-08-2005, 03:55 PM
You can still buy real component-th and finaplix-h, both of which contain no estrogen. I believe revalor-h and revalor-s are the ones with estradiol added.Originally Posted by glenihan
04-08-2005, 05:17 PM
04-08-2005, 07:23 PM
Ok so anyone know what is in the solubizer when making synovex into Test Prop?
I hate paying $120 for a kit. It seems impossible that only 2 guys have figured this out and now sell kits.
Isn't there ANYONE else who knows PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
04-08-2005, 09:48 PM
that's basically the question i'm asking. after reading sky's posts i believe it is methyl alcohol (heet, yellow bottle).
04-09-2005, 12:05 AM
According to one of my buddies who's a chem. wizard, it's either sodium hydroxide (NaOH) or potassium hydroxide (KOH). I just explained about the estrogen in Syno and told him about the estrogen solubolizer. After giving him some details on a conversion, I asked him what his thoughts were as far as what's in the ES. Those two compounds were the answer he gave me, I don't know if he is right or wrong.Originally Posted by CROWLER
04-09-2005, 12:11 AM
Originally Posted by chasec
You still have to use heet with a kit. The 'secret' solubizer is what is not known.
04-09-2005, 12:35 AM
fina conv. using ba/bb dissolving the pellets and then filtering w/o using the crystal fina works pretty darn good too. you end up losing more fina thru the crystal fina methodOriginally Posted by kwantam
04-09-2005, 01:47 PM
It's sodium tert-butoxide.Originally Posted by CROWLER
The reason that everyone suggests purchasing it from eagle research is because reagent-grade (i.e., highly pure) is extremely expensive and only available in large amounts.
04-09-2005, 01:52 PM
The crystal fina method yields purer final product, but you're right, the yield is somewhat lower. Personally, I'm willing to sacrifice 10% yield in order to get purer product, but everyone has a different utility function regarding cost vs. safety.Originally Posted by s.norman
Ideally, everyone would do lots of research, understand the ramifications of both methods, and make a decision based on their predilections. Unfortunately, most people just buy the kit (which has WAY too much ba/bb) and get tren cough instead.
04-09-2005, 01:57 PM
Well, he's kind of right and kind of wrong.Originally Posted by Snachito
Either of the compounds he listed will work to make the estrogen water soluble, but they will also strip the ester off of the test. In fact, NaOH (a.k.a. lye) is what's used in the TNE conversion. Sodium t-butoxide won't react nearly as much with the test (presumably because of steric hindrance, though that's completely ex recto---I haven't drawn it out or anything), so it does what you want (makes the estrogen soluble) without doing what you don't want (removing the ester from the test).
04-09-2005, 04:41 PM
ok, i have no use to solubilize estrogen. i bought a bunch of component-TH which contains only 200mg/trenbolone acetate per dose, no prop/estradiol. so to straighten this mess of a thread out correct me if i'm wrong.
1. crush pellets and mix in METHYL ALCOHOL until completely dissolved
2. THAN follow crystal fina method.
really all i needed to know was would the methyl alcohol be reccommended to dissolve the pellets in?
04-09-2005, 05:49 PM
Thank you for the info kwantam! You know your chemistry!Originally Posted by kwantam
I know ER mad their ES even more concentrated, so when I received it I thought for sure some of it spilt in the box. It works good though, never had any estrogen issues bother me yet! I also use Nolva and Arima during cycle, but I still have to credit their ES for getting most of the estro out.
04-09-2005, 05:51 PM
I know of another method, for crystal fina, it's pretty easy.Originally Posted by chasec
And yes heet is recommended to dissolve the Fina
04-09-2005, 08:18 PM
Yup. Get the yellow HEET bottles from your local auto parts store.Originally Posted by chasec
(Here in south TX they look at you funny when you buy fuel line de-icer. )
04-09-2005, 08:34 PM
04-09-2005, 11:04 PM
DAMN I just read the crystal Fina way of doing it. That is ALOT of extra time and steps to do. I don't understand the reasoning. I see he says that it doesn't hurt as much as the regular way of doing tren.
Does tren hurt anyone. Heck I use it to cut the pain in prop so I don't know.
Then his finished product doesn't look any clearer than what you get when you do it the easier way.
Ok edjamicate me what is the point?
04-09-2005, 11:54 PM
i made my tren the regular way (not crystal fina) and it worked great-it was not painful nor did i get the tren cough
04-10-2005, 01:42 AM
I made my tren from pellets at 100mg/ml dissolving in just 3% BA and 12% BB and it came out about as painless as any tren I have ever shot.
I used cottonseed oil for the oil component...which I also finds makes anything a little less painful.
PS: Anymore info on the yellow HEET bottles from the auto parts store...I have never really looked into it but I'm always looking to educate myself further with homebrew techniques
04-10-2005, 02:00 AM
"Notacow makes crystal tren"Originally Posted by CarryOnTheChaos
Basically, you dissolve the pellets in HEET, filter out the cellulose, precipitate the tren with water, filter, dry. The end product is tren ace powder.
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