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Huge variation in Test bloodwork!!!!!

Mr.50

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I posted this also in the supplement section but I thought maybe you guys here might have more imput.





Guys this is a follow up post to one I made last week some time. I had some follow up blood work done to try to figure out what is going on with my Test levels. the first blood work showed a very low normal total test and low normal free test (the PA thought it was high but I reviewed the test and she knows about as much as a little kid).

So I had some follow up blood work done where I had blood drawn twice in the same day. My morning fasting test level was in the upper 700 range (793) then my late afternoon test level was measured again and it was only 290!!!!!! What the F&^%!! I mean I know that test is highest in the morning but isn't this type of variation pretty extreme? The doctor seemed to think it was unusual but o.k.


Mr.50
 
I would also expect it to be higher in the morning but not to that degree. What were the first results?
Also, there are very few doctors that really care to put males on HRT. You are better off finding a doc who specializes in this.
 
The result for the first test was like in the 290 range in the afternoon with a free test of 10.4 on the 8-25 scale. That was why the test was repeated to determine any possible variation throughout the day. But I didn't expect (and neither did the doctor) that kind of variation. I am not really interested in hormone replacement since I am only 30. I would rather attempt to figure out what is going on here. I am very interested in whether or not this variation could be due to my Zoloft as that has killed my sex drive.

Mr.50
 
Zoloft has a slew of side effects in which none are good, but I've never seen it result in low test levels. I do know guys in their low 30's on HRT and your afternoon levels are getting near the levels to justify HRT. Maybe that one was a fluke? I would ask the doc to do one more morning test to see what it shows.
 
Thats part of morning wood. But the other major factor is that to stop you from pissing your pants the body gets some wood which effectively blocks off the urethra.

Mr.50


bigred869 said:
ah so that explains morning wood
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bigred869 said:
ah so that explains morning wood
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Don't know why but that was what I was thinking! I always knew test was highest in the AM but never put 2 and 2 together (2+2=22) LOL!
 
Your test levels fluctuate throughout the day like a sin wave. I believe they peak around 8 am and dip around the late afternoon. Your fluctuation seems a bit dramatic, though. Check it again in the morning like dg said. I believe mine was around 713 in the morning around 8.

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Well, most calculators have "sin" for sine. So, I guess those of us that grew up on a scientific calc. tend to spell it "sin". I know I do.
 
Mr.50 said:
Thats part of morning wood. But the other major factor is that to stop you from pissing your pants the body gets some wood which effectively blocks off the urethra.

Mr.50
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I always thought that morning wood was the body's physiological response to R.E.M. sleep. Because when they do a test for impotence in order to determine whether it is psychological or a physical problem they put you in a sleep lab and wait for you to hit the R.E.M. stage of sleep to see if you get hard or not and if you do then it is a psychological problem.
 
Thats because if you don't get into REM you are not dreaming and without the proper thoughts (by dreaming of sex) you will likely not get wood. But independant of wood from dreaming is the increase in blood flow to the penis to help stop the flow of urine.

Hu,hu. I said penis.


Mr.50


Swinger said:
I always thought that morning wood was the body's physiological response to R.E.M. sleep. Because when they do a test for impotence in order to determine whether it is psychological or a physical problem they put you in a sleep lab and wait for you to hit the R.E.M. stage of sleep to see if you get hard or not and if you do then it is a psychological problem.
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Mr.50 said:
Thats because if you don't get into REM you are not dreaming and without the proper thoughts (by dreaming of sex) you will likely not get wood. But independant of wood from dreaming is the increase in blood flow to the penis to help stop the flow of urine.

Hu,hu. I said penis.


Mr.50
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Right, it doesn't happen if the REM sleep stage is not reached but I think that you get it solely from the stimulation of dreaming regardless if it is about sex or not.

edit: I am not denying that this happens in order to stop the flow of urine because a full bladder will apply pressure to the prostate thus stimulating an erection just wanted to discuss the sleep thing.
 
Mr.50 said:
Thats part of morning wood. But the other major factor is that to stop you from pissing your pants the body gets some wood which effectively blocks off the urethra.

Mr.50
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LOL than why do guys not get wood as they get older? This mechinism to stop the piss shuts down???

But give them 500mg of test a week and suddenly they are getting wood, so you are saying that the test makes this 'don't piss your pants mechanism' start working again?

Please explain.


CROWLER
 
BTW when do you get to REM sleep? Is that like the 4th level or something? Can you get to REM sleep in a matter of a couple minutes?


CROWLER
 
I remember reading the results of a sleep study I had done once that said that REM is usually reached within the first 45-1hr. And that the sleep wake cycles repeat throughout the night. So you may be on the way into REM or out of it and then back in. I know what you are thinking Crowler, if it taks so long then how come sometimes I wake up because of my alarm and then hit snooze and all of a sudden I am dreaming again. I can't tell you but I would also like to know.

As far as the other issue; in fact Crowler you are right also on this topic. While both sexual thoughts (dreaming) and pressure on the prostate can both stimulate wood, ADEQUATE testosterone is still required to obtain wood. So the old guys often times can not get wood as easily either because of insufficient Test levels, blood flow problems, or lack of responsiveness to test as they age, etc. So unfortunately they have problems sometimes. So if you are pissing your pants and are young you should get your test levels checked.:)
 
Thanks for taking the time to give that good info.

How about like when you are riding in the car and you nod off for 5 minutes and you wake up with wood. If it takes the 45 minutes to get to REM and you only get wood in REM I wonder how that works?



BTW who you calling old lol I don't get AM wood but if I go on 500mg Test I start getting it. I have been very lucky though no problems in the performance department even when on no AS> It seems kinda funny when I see 20-something guys say they had a hot chick ready to go and they couldn't get wood. BWAHAHAHA

I probably shouldn't laugh too had and knock wood ;) or it will happen to me.
 
I don't know about the answer to the "wood in the car" question.

And I apologise if it sounded like I was calling you old. I didn't mean to at all. I am just thirty and sometimes feel old so I would never insult anyone else.


Mr.50


CROWLER said:
Thanks for taking the time to give that good info.

How about like when you are riding in the car and you nod off for 5 minutes and you wake up with wood. If it takes the 45 minutes to get to REM and you only get wood in REM I wonder how that works?



BTW who you calling old lol I don't get AM wood but if I go on 500mg Test I start getting it. I have been very lucky though no problems in the performance department even when on no AS> It seems kinda funny when I see 20-something guys say they had a hot chick ready to go and they couldn't get wood. BWAHAHAHA

I probably shouldn't laugh too had and knock wood ;) or it will happen to me.
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LOL Mr 50 don't give it another thought. I was just kidding. See the LOL after the Hey who you calling old :)



Ok but it doesn't mean I want to take a warm cozy nap with you either :hammer:


CROWLER
 
Good point dg806. I still don't have a good answer for this. I will look into having the blood work redone but I am having some problems with insurance right now and the blood work is out of pocket so.....


Mr.50


dg806 said:
You all sure can turn a thread 180!
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