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    well...i like superdrol becuase it does not KILL your endurence...
    being a runner 5-10mg of superdrol a day is pretty awesome stuff...

    i was dumb enough last summer and took 10 days of m1t....yeah.... running was like trying to carry a 900 lbs. fat whore on your back... i gained a few lbs...i was just looking to add some toneness, but cut the cycle short after i realized what i was doing to my body.

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    [QUOTE=400runner]well...i like superdrol becuase it does not KILL your endurence...
    being a runner 5-10mg of superdrol a day is pretty awesome stuff...
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    Superdrol actually gave me added endurance. It was no doubt about it, I could workout twice as long, though I don't run, but always wondered how a runner might be effected. So thanks for the post.
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    Superdrol had the opposite effect on endurance for me, at least cardiovascularly. I found myself out of breath from simple tasks such as climbing a few flights of stairs. I'm on day 3 of pct now, and already find that my breathing is much improved now that I'm off of superdrol.
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    Your not the only one Max, I've heard other people say that too. I usually associate fatigue with bloat, but M1T was the worst to me and didn't bloat me, others are bad, but SD did me good. It's weird how differently it can display it's effects in various people. Some people aslo describe gyno from short term use, even though it's an anti-estrogen!
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    I got better gains with M1T in terms of muscle mass and strength. Really the only benefit Superdrol had over M1T is that it did'nt make me lethargic. That said, I like both but would give M1T a slight edge especially considering the price difference.
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    The strength I gained from 10days of ReboundXT nearly matches M1T, and beats superdrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    The strength I gained from 10days of ReboundXT nearly matches M1T, and beats superdrol.
    I'm seeing strength gains with Rebound XT only, but nothing spectacular (definitely above placebo though). I should hope my upcoming SD cycle will prove to be MUCH more effective.
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    Do you guys think Rebound XT is the best test/estro. reducer out right now?
    Compared to H.O.T. or whatever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 400runner
    Do you guys think Rebound XT is the best test/estro. reducer out right now?
    Compared to H.O.T. or whatever?
    Letrozole is still the strongest AI.
    To just boost test, probably RXT (and equivalents) is one of the most effective supps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 400runner
    Do you guys think Rebound XT is the best test/estro. reducer out right now?
    Compared to H.O.T. or whatever?


    Rebound and HOT use the same active (ATD) or a deravitive of which.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bow
    Rebound and HOT use the same active (ATD) or a deravitive of which.
    Yes, which is a derivative of exemestane.
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    I'm wondering if running Ultra H.O.T. during an M1T cycle could reduce the shutdown. I guess it would depend on the different binding affinities of ATD and M1T to the androgen receptors around the hypothalumus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    I'm wondering if running Ultra H.O.T. during an M1T cycle could reduce the shutdown. I guess it would depend on the different binding affinities of ATD and M1T to the androgen receptors around the hypothalumus.
    Probably would not help, but you never know until you try. In theory, it would not be effective. But it shouldn't work so great for gyno either, yet it does, so it would be worth a try.
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    I definently like the SD better but still experienced sides. As stated by others the gains are a little slower but they are solid and they stick. I have found after extensively using M1T that low, low doses of 5mg are all you really need and works much like SD. SD is still they way to go as you just feel on fire, M1T seems to mess with your mind.
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    SD made me lethargic and generally feel like I had been drinking the night before (although I didnt touch any alcohol during my cycle).

    I was too out of breath quicker, mass gains were great, 6Ib in 3weeks, though not that much strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliff_vtr
    I was too out of breath quicker, mass gains were great....

    Paul
    Amen to that! I couldn't walk a flight of stairs without getting winded. However, that faded as I went off of it. SD rocks!

    I still have 180 caps of M1T that I may never use... if I can continue to get SD.
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    I do love M1t but since my gains on SD were lean and I did not have to put on my "fat" pants I have to go with SD.
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    I actually saw more bloat on SD than M1T... strange to be sure. I held a lot of water in my face on two weeks of SD at 20mg ed. Bloat was similar to what I experienced on 60mg of M14ADD
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    I'm taking Superdrol now, almost a week into it and last I weighed myself on Friday I was up 6 pounds (see my log).

    No lethargy, no bloating, no back pumps, very little if any shrinkage so far, and only one zit so far (not any more than I might normally get).

    I've never used any other product like this so I can't compare -- but I would consider my side effect experience to be as close to zero as one could expect.
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    I dont understand how SD can be put above M1T. However i havent taken SD... YET. My gains on M1T (stacked with 4AD) were huge with zero sides and a bf drop. Ill be able to compare in about two months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMas
    I dont understand how SD can be put above M1T. However i havent taken SD... YET. My gains on M1T (stacked with 4AD) were huge with zero sides and a bf drop. Ill be able to compare in about two months.
    Zero sides, with M1T?! Even if you missed the lethargy, I'd think the shrinkage would still get you. Even so, if that's true then you are one of the "lucky" ones. My SD gains were less dramatic than with M1T, but very solid and clean.
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    i love my m1t...havent gotten to superdrol yet...waiting for my next paycheck
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    mit is great to kickstarrt a cycle off for 2-3 weeks at 10-15mg/day. it is a great mass builder w/ some unwanted sides. i prefer 1-test cyp over m1t though
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.norman
    mit is great to kickstarrt a cycle off for 2-3 weeks at 10-15mg/day. it is a great mass builder w/ some unwanted sides. i prefer 1-test cyp over m1t though
    Yeah, bad idea to go into total shutdown from the get go. I'd rather put M1T at the end to cap off a cycle, and hit it hard with PCT immediately following.

    Why not do SD and S1+ at the same time?
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    I love me some M1T, I ran nolva through both my 2 week cycles, no sides, gained about 10lbs each time and
    kept better than half of that each time also. No noticable shutdown or anything.... Debating on spending
    the cash for some SD but don't know if its gonna be worth it since I love my m1t so much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bignate
    I love me some M1T, I ran nolva through both my 2 week cycles, no sides, gained about 10lbs each time and
    kept better than half of that each time also. No noticable shutdown or anything.... Debating on spending
    the cash for some SD but don't know if its gonna be worth it since I love my m1t so much
    Did you get blood work to see how ****ed up your liver and lipids were? No? Thought so.
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    I've gotten bloodwork for just M1T, M4OHN and Superdrol.
    M4OHN didn't mess with the lipids.
    M1T and Superdrol were pretty comparable. I don't think either M1T, Superdrol or DBOL is significantly more lipid-friendly than the other. You just have to accept the messed up lipid profile for a short time and make moves to restore it. I do believe M1T is hell on the liver - where is Superdrol is not 'hell'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bignate
    I love me some M1T, I ran nolva through both my 2 week cycles, no sides, gained about 10lbs each time and
    kept better than half of that each time also. No noticable shutdown or anything.... Debating on spending
    the cash for some SD but don't know if its gonna be worth it since I love my m1t so much
    I like M1T, it's regarded pretty negatively over here because of the side effects. [AS WELL IT SHOULD BE]. It's been pretty friendly to me though.
    The liver and lipid destruction is nothing to take lightly. But if you can escape the fatigue and overall 'I feel like ****' feeling - M1T is perhaps worth it.

    Nate were those you first 2 cycles?
    I ask because I wouldn't expect the +10lbs in 2weeks trend to continue (even if you up the dose). Good results nonetheless
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    I've done bloodwork before during and right after SD cycle, but I've never done m1t and never will and I always advise people not to use it, but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkswan
    Yeah, bad idea to go into total shutdown from the get go. I'd rather put M1T at the end to cap off a cycle, and hit it hard with PCT immediately following.

    Why not do SD and S1+ at the same time?
    I have to disagree, it's better to start off with M1T - because you have 'on cycle' time to recover from the shutdown (provided you don't keep running the M1t). If you end the cycle with M1T, you may lose your gains because you are completely shutdown and restoring your natty test will take much longer.

    SD and S1T is a perfect cycle. SD could be at the front or at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DmitryWI
    I've done bloodwork before during and right after SD cycle, but I've never done m1t and never will and I always advise people not to use it, but that's just me.
    I think your safe in advising 95% of people to stay far far far away from M1T. For sure.
    I'm no chemical wizard, but I'm mid-way on 500mg of Test E and 400mg of EQ, and I'm popping M1T in for 2-3weeks. The test E is running wild and I don't expect to see any sides.

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    M1T is a really bad idea for a 1st cycle. You can blow up 20lbs on virtually ANYTHING for a first cycle. Too bad Biden took 1-ad away from us - that is the best for a newbie cycle. Non-Methylated, and fairly safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    I think your safe in advising 95% of people to stay far far far away from M1T. For sure.
    I'm no chemical wizard, but I'm mid-way on 500mg of Test E and 400mg of EQ, and I'm popping M1T in for 2-3weeks. The test E is running wild and I don't expect to see any sides.

    Ton of Milk Thistle, Himilaya Liver Care, and Glucophase along the way. Celery Seed for BP also.

    M1T is a really bad idea for a 1st cycle. You can blow up 20lbs on virtually ANYTHING for a first cycle. Too bad Biden took 1-ad away from us - that is the best for a newbie cycle. Non-Methylated, and fairly safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    I have to disagree, it's better to start off with M1T - because you have 'on cycle' time to recover from the shutdown (provided you don't keep running the M1t). If you end the cycle with M1T, you may lose your gains because you are completely shutdown and restoring your natty test will take much longer.

    SD and S1T is a perfect cycle. SD could be at the front or at the end.
    I don't enderstand what you mean by recovery time while on cycle. If you're supressing your HPTA from the get go, then how does it start recovery while your still supressing HPTA with your other on cycle AS. Then you have to wait more weeks until PCT and your completely shutdown the entire time vs. being shut down only your last week or two. PCT if done properly should rebound your test levels to close to normal within a week or two. What am I missing here?
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    Darkswan, I agree with him. You will continue to equilibrate all though out the cycle, but you will be even more suppressed if you do it at the end and your PCT response is much slower that way. Always do your hardest androgens up front IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Darkswan, I agree with him. You will continue to equilibrate all though out the cycle, but you will be even more suppressed if you do it at the end and your PCT response is much slower that way. Always do your hardest androgens up front IMO.
    Agreed.

    Though increasing a dose late in the cycle to break the mid-cycle plateau is legit. I wouldn't throw any new compounds in there, though.
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    m1t
    explosive gains strength and size.
    Felt like ****.
    Lost a good portion felt like **** pct.
    Overall ****.


    Superdrol
    Nice clean gains much slower then m1t.
    Felt great a little aggressive
    Gained strength even during pct (i tried 200mg a day of dhea) first time I have ever gained strength pct.
    Felt great all around
    I have not lost a damn thing I am five weeks out from superdrol cycle and done pct.

    EDIT I lost weight when I stopped superdrol water weight

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    M1t is stronger by far, however superdrol had very few sides in comparison. I wasnt too bad with M1t, i started to loase my appetite around the 3 wk mark and started feeling depressed, i wouldnt call it lethargy, i wasnt tired, just emotionally drained i guess, but by that time my strenght had shot through the roof and i put on about 15 pounds, kept ten, which was fine for 3 weeks, which is as far as i went, shrinkage was within days, the GF was like WTF??? i told her why, and she replied, "i dont think i like that stuff..." with SD i gained about 5lbs but almost no sides. i ran it for aprox. 3 wks as well, im sure i could have went longer, but i also noticed the winded feeling(could just be the fact that i put on so much weight over the winter and it was my first few times trying to really run again) M1t IMO is good for 2wks and you can get gains and avoid most sides, its a good quick jumpstart, SD can be run for longer, w/o sides.
  

  
 

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