Do You Use Creatine During PCT?

[handzilla]

Do You Use Creatine During PCT? I did after my 2nd 1ad cycle but it just watered me down. I decided not too use any after my winter bulker b/c I wanted to maintain dry gains and I was hoping to use xCEEd but it wasn't out yet. I still might have sacificed some lean gains for not doing that.

Feel free to throw down your 2 cents on this one.

[MarcusG]

It shrinks the balls

[handzilla]

It shrinks the balls

Beat it, you court jester.

[milwood]

I kick it in for PCT and post-cycle. I use CEE, and even so am a very low responder. I don't use creatine while on.

[Syr]

Do You Use Creatine During PCT? I did after my 2nd 1ad cycle but it just watered me down. I decided not too use any after my winter bulker b/c I wanted to maintain dry gains and I was hoping to use xCEEd but it wasn't out yet. I still might have sacificed some lean gains for not doing that.

Its definitely a good idea to preserve your strenght, when your natural test is low and u feel down. Thats the main reason for which I would use it (and i do).
xCEEd is not ready yet: Sledge has some delays
CEE does not blow. Get a 100g of bulk til xCEEd is ready.

[Syr]

It shrinks the balls

hihihii

[CEDeoudes59]

Sometimes I use it during PCT.

I could see where it may give you the illusion of preserving weight gain -- by the added water retention.

But can someone explain the science to me of how it actually helps preserve strength when your natty test is low?

i mean are we just confusing water gain from creatine for the actual maintaince of gains?

[Skark]

But can someone explain the science to me of how it actually helps preserve strength when your natty test is low?

i mean are we just confusing water gain from creatine for the actual maintaince of gains?

Can't give you the science part, but creatine is definately a strength increasing compound, and it is great to use during PCT. My PCT stack consists of:

Nolva
Creatine
Bulgarian Trib (high proto)
Avena Sativa
ZMA

[Syr]

Can't give you the science part, but creatine is definately a strength increasing compound, and it is great to use during PCT.

No science from me either but i can tell u that creatine acts in a completely different way than test and other hormones (if u respond to creatine of course).

[DR.D]

Creatine will help you hold the size and strength gains from orals specifically. If your using an oral in your cycle, save the creatine for PCT.

[CEDeoudes59]

good info. Superdrol is an oral!

[DR.D]

good info. Superdrol is an oral!

OK, I guess I didn't say that right! That applies to ~95% of 17-AA steroids, SD is the exception. That's because most orals (17-AA steroids) bind with very low affinity to the AR. Mibolerone and Methyltrenbolone are 2 noted exceptions, and so must be SD I think. I'm just guessing, but it behaves more like a free alcohol (injectable) than an alkylated steroid IMO. Nevertheless, I would still use creatine after an SD cycle because SD probably works by both AR and non-AR mechanisms.

[MarcusG]

OK, I guess I didn't say that right! That applies to ~95% of 17-AA steroids, SD is the exception. That's because most orals (17-AA steroids) bind with very low affinity to the AR. Mibolerone and Methyltrenbolone are 2 noted exceptions, and so must be SD I think. I'm just guessing, but it behaves more like a free alcohol (injectable) than an alkylated steroid IMO. Nevertheless, I would still use creatine after an SD cycle because SD probably works by both AR and non-AR mechanisms.

DrD, how does creatine work synergistically with most orals as opposed to comon injectables? I don't get the AR analogy/reason.
And is it during the cycle and PCT as well?

[DR.D]

DrD, how does creatine work synergistically with most orals as opposed to comon injectables? I don't get the AR analogy/reason.
And is it during the cycle and PCT as well?

17-alkyl steroids (orals) increase creatine synthesis for the most part and non-alkylated (injectables) increase protein synthesis mostly. That's why you should use creatine or an oral stacked with an injectable. You grow from both mechanisms. After a dbol only cycle, most people lose a lot of weight. But if they add creatine in their PCT, they would hold more of the gains. That's a very simple explaination for it, but that's why people stack an oral and injectable for best results. I think SD must do both, which would mean it has unusually high receptor affinity for an oral.

[CROWLER]

I haven't kept up on the CEE info. Which board sponser sells it and what amount should be taken.

I am thinking I saw someone say 2grams pre workout and 5 post workout or am I mistaken?


CROWLER

[milwood]

I haven't kept up on the CEE info. Which board sponser sells it and what amount should be taken.

I am thinking I saw someone say 2grams pre workout and 5 post workout or am I mistaken?

2-3g/day is really all you need. It's A LOT more bioavailable than monohydrate, so why overdo it? I take it post-workout, but apparently even that isn't necessarry. custom and stryder (nutraplanrt) have it in bulk.

[shootmeagain]

As usual, Dr.D is laying the knowledge on us in a most helpful way... thanks for that (it won't let me give you any more rep points til I 'spread the love', LOL!)

I've always had a question about this from a different angle though. With methyls we always hear/talk a lot about liver concerns, and rightfully so, however, isn't it true that all PH/AAS (to varying degrees) also put additional stress on the kidneys? If that is, in fact, true, then wouldn't it be wise to lay off of creatine during PCT for that reason and perhaps also for the liver's sake... just to give these organs a total break after pushing them?

I know that is a very general question about a wide-range of possibilities, and no, I don't think creatine is 'bad for you' or anything but any general comment on the question will be appreciated.

[DR.D]

As usual, Dr.D is laying the knowledge on us in a most helpful way... thanks for that (it won't let me give you any more rep points til I 'spread the love', LOL!)

I've always had a question about this from a different angle though. With methyls we always hear/talk a lot about liver concerns, and rightfully so, however, isn't it true that all PH/AAS (to varying degrees) also put additional stress on the kidneys? If that is, in fact, true, then wouldn't it be wise to lay off of creatine during PCT for that reason and perhaps also for the liver's sake... just to give these organs a total break after pushing them?

I know that is a very general question about a wide-range of possibilities, and no, I don't think creatine is 'bad for you' or anything but any general comment on the question will be appreciated.

Ahh man, your too kind! Really, you guys are always teaching me so I contribute back whenever I can. Much luv!

Creatine monohydrate always messes up my kidneys after about 2 months of straight use, so I just use it pre w/o and in low daily doses during PCT. Some stuff like DHT causes direct growth and repair of the kidneys while other stuff causes water retention and high BP which stresses them with high salt load and creatinine supersaturation. Kidney stones are always a threat with a rich diet if water intake isn't high. Your right though, all of it can be toxic to the kids and tren especially, so I definately will not fuss with you that a strong argument can be made to avoid creatine during PCT. I just use it because I save it mostly for that and not while on.

[MarcusG]

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Creatine monohydrate always messes up my kidneys after about 2 months of straight use, so I just use it pre w/o and in low daily doses during PCT. Some stuff like DHT causes direct growth and repair of the kidneys while other stuff causes water retention and high BP which stresses them with high salt load and creatinine supersaturation. Kidney stones are always a threat with a rich diet if water intake isn't high. Your right though, all of it can be toxic to the kids and tren especially, so I definately will not fuss with you that a strong argument can be made to avoid creatine during PCT. I just use it because I save it mostly for that and not while on.

?? Messes up kidneys - Like how?
I thought it was safe.

[DR.D]

?? Messes up kidneys - Like how?
I thought it was safe.

I'll get super-saturated creatinine levels in my kidneys and it promotes infection. I have to acidify my urinary track (that is very inconvenient) and treat w/ AB's like methenamine to fix it. It does it every time I get greedy and push it past 2 months of use. It's not "safe". Kindney stones are a real hazard too, but it does appear to be an inherent risk.