Best low to moderate PH?

[Abaddon75]

I once ran a Havoc cycle. Great gains but it landed me in the hospital with horrible hip muscle pains.

I'd like to run a new cycle but I don't need anything too powerful. Just something that's a step above the standard creatine/glutamine/etc. stack.

Any recommendations for a PH stack with moderate gains and low sides?

 

[goodvibes]

They're banned so why not go the natty route? ArA / ABE stack

 

[thasswussup]

Anafuse bruh

 

[Driven2lift]

Unless you have the PH's on hand they are now illegal and finding them would not be easy

As said above you could try out ARA, ABE, magnitropin, etc.

Natural Anabolics are effective with proper diet/training and carry no sides

 

[Driven2lift]

http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/pes-anabeta-elite.html

http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/myokem-mangitropin.html

http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/molecular-nutrition-x-factor-100-softgels.html

Stack two of those for a good time

ABE + ARA
Or
Magnitropin + ARA

 

[nclifter28]

You can still buy m-sten and dmz there not mild but very popular

 

[tyga tyga]

http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/pes-anabeta-elite.html http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/myokem-mangitropin.html http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/molecular-nutrition-x-factor-100-softgels.html Stack two of those for a good time ABE + ARA Or Magnitropin + ARA

^^this

Mag+ArA

Can even add in

PA/SL and TMG to further enhance the stack!

 

[Abaddon75]

Makes sense. I think I'll give those a try. Easy enough to get from Amazon.

 

[Matthersby]

I've stumbled across dienelone, desoxy-t, superdiol, trest, m-sten, DMZ. And that's without really trying.

 

[dbrock504]

What kinds of "hip muscle pains" we're you experiencing?

 

[dbrock504]

If you want something like glutamine or creatine, head over to Toys R Us. They have some stuff.

But seriously, LG sciences have some pretty decent stuff, but don't expect too many gainz.

 

[Abaddon75]

Crippling pains so bad I could barely walk. Never experienced them before using Havoc. The doc fixed me up and I laid off the stuff since.

 

[bobbybondmo]

Crippling pains so bad I could barely walk. Never experienced them before using Havoc. The doc fixed me up and I laid off the stuff since.

How is this correlated to Havoc? Was it cause of crazy pumps or something or possibly the area got hurt due to extra load (from an extreme strength increase)?

 

[McCrew530]

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[Abaddon75]

No crazy weight loads or anything else unusual. Maybe it was pump related. All I know is the Havoc cycle was the only thing that was different and the pain that day was horrible.

 

[Matthersby]

Epi didn't attack your hips.

 

[chuck box]

You could try the SARM route, not as much gains as PH (although LGD was good to me) but still a step above most natty products

 

[dbrock504]

Epi didn't attack your hips.

Ya none of this makes much sense to me. And the doc "fix you up" doesn't give me any insight. You could have been taking the havoc irresponsibly.

 

[Abaddon75]

Not at all. I researched the proper way of taking it well before. I did everything right but it went badly for me in the end.

 

[T-Bone]

Ya none of this makes much sense to me. And the doc "fix you up" doesn't give me any insight. You could have been taking the havoc irresponsibly.

Agreed. This needs a lot more explanation.

 

[dbrock504]

Not at all. I researched the proper way of taking it well before. I did everything right but it went badly for me in the end.

Well I'm not going to argue with you and I'm not saying it's impossible because everyone reacts to compounds differently, but what I can tell you is havoc is extremely mild. For you to have reacted the way you did, tells me the user did something wrong. And it interests me.

 

[Matthersby]

Epistane caused the hip problems no more than deadlifts, standing, or walking did.

 

[Abe Lincoln]

Trest Deca /end thread. As long as you are good with needles that is.

 

[Abaddon75]

Sometimes **** happens. The only time in my life I used a PH and the only time I experienced such a crippling pain. In all my years of weight training, walking, and whatever else, nothing like that ever happened. If people experience painful back pumps and other sides, is it that inconceivable that pain could develop in the hip area?

 

[Matthersby]

They wouldn't be back pumps then but anything is possible. If it required medical attention, then its just a training injury. Regardless of where I get pumps, its just a side effect of steroids that doesn't deter me from using them a second time.

 

[bobbybondmo]

Sometimes **** happens. The only time in my life I used a PH and the only time I experienced such a crippling pain. In all my years of weight training, walking, and whatever else, nothing like that ever happened. If people experience painful back pumps and other sides, is it that inconceivable that pain could develop in the hip area?

In the 100's of epi threads I have read over the years, I have never heard of this...or anything remotely like it. So it stands to reason that something else caused the issue.