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    I hear you on the size thing, but as recently as 2.5 years ago I was a marathoner. In late Nov. of 2002 I was a freaky 156lbs (consuming 4000-5000 cals per day). Then it took me about a year and a half to figure out the growth thing, so the majority of my growth was in the last year.

    I was weighing about 190 in the fall, but I have had an extremely stressful year, so I lost track of my eating a few times and catabolized the **** out of myself a few times. I would say I am probably on the ecto end of the spectrum, so I lose muscle pretty easily. I am actually quite happy with the rate at which I am gaining mass. Now I just have to make sure I don't burn off my hard work again. It is all part of the learning process, and I have definitely learned--I'll never cut again w/o 30g of BCAA per day.

    So I'll stick with this as it is similar to the bulking split that I had the most success with to date, and I will change it up in a couple of months if I am unsuccessful. I really think this is the best type of split for me.

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    Well I hope it works out for you. Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCSULLA
    No offense bro but 6'0 175-180? Either your undereating, overtraining or both. I know guys that weigh 300lbs at your height with abs that don't train as much. I weigh 210lbs at 5'8 and I only train three days a week. I used to train five days hitting chest twice and got my bench up to 330lbs (I was in my late teens early 20's). And I look at weights and grow. Without touching a weight in three years I did 200lbs bench and a 240lb squat. I never get sore either, but I still train ony three times a week. Ask most of these guys that lift 5-6 days a week how big they are. Most will say less then 220lbs., if that. Some guys get away with more, but most don't.

    Age when you started lifting? Genetic make-up?? Years of AAS?? These are important things to consider when you throw out comments such as "I know guys that weigh 300lbs at your height with abs that don't train as much. I weigh 210lbs at 5'8 and I only train three days a week."

    I've personally gone from 140 to 205 in 5 years. All the while staying under 15% BF. I didn't start lifting until I was 37. I've found what works for me and posted my comments (which are obviously different methods than yours). Everyone of us is different. We all have different backgrounds and respond to different types of workouts. You may be able to get away with saying "And I look at weights and grow. Without touching a weight in three years I did 200lbs bench and a 240lb squat. I never get sore either, but I still train ony three times a week." because you've been blessed with great genetics or started lifting early in life or both. Beowulf is just going to have to figure out what works best for him and define his personal goals. This is done by trial and error. You cannot generalize with comments such as the ones above. Not everyone is as gifted as you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJA
    Age when you started lifting? Genetic make-up?? Years of AAS?? These are important things to consider when you throw out comments such as "I know guys that weigh 300lbs at your height with abs that don't train as much. I weigh 210lbs at 5'8 and I only train three days a week."

    I've personally gone from 140 to 205 in 5 years. All the while staying under 15% BF. I didn't start lifting until I was 37. I've found what works for me and posted my comments (which are obviously different methods than yours). Everyone of us is different. We all have different backgrounds and respond to different types of workouts. You may be able to get away with saying "And I look at weights and grow. Without touching a weight in three years I did 200lbs bench and a 240lb squat. I never get sore either, but I still train ony three times a week." because you've been blessed with great genetics or started lifting early in life or both. Beowulf is just going to have to figure out what works best for him and define his personal goals. This is done by trial and error. You cannot generalize with comments such as the ones above. Not everyone is as gifted as you are.
    Word!

    BTW, an additional reason why I do better when training with greater frequency is that I have much less appetite for protein on non-training days. It may be psychological, but on training days I never have any problems with putting away a bulking day worth of food, especially protein. On training days I have no problem eating a ton of clean foods. I take a day off and I feel like I have to force the stuff down.
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    You are right everyone is differnet. And I would make gains on many routines, but I KNOW I would become over trained fairly quickly hitting the weights hardcore 6 days a week. Even most pros, who are on gear and everything else, plus have waaaay better genes then me or almost anyone on this board, don't hit the weights 6 out of 7 days.

    Most people never get over 220lbs..why? Because they don't eat enough nor train productivly enough. And many of these guys use gear to compensaite for too many days in the weight room. I see to many people on the boards (and I am guilty of this as well) who are looking for some new magical supp./ gear that will push their body to new levels. When all it really takes is more time at the training table and less time in the gym. Not less work..less time. Go to steroidology.com (not a source board) and head over to the training section. And read somethings written by pullinbig and In-human. Pullinbig is a world record holder at the Masters level in PLing and In-human is a bber. Inhuman used to train high volume, many sets ect, but he could never get over 265lbs. He contacted DC and he started traing under him. He reached a high of 303lbs while only a minimal BF gain. Eat Big+ Train Heavy=Big Muscles. (A DC quote)


    And for the record I don't take anything "extra" (I may have some but don't quote me) but I am not using it now. Oh and I never have used before gear. As for training experiance I was pretty hardcore from '89-94. Then stopped to do other things. Came back in 2003 got injured after two months and just started back again in Dec. 2004.

    And I did say good luck..didn't I?
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    I think the key to my split is stopping 1 rep short of failure. Repeated failure is the excess stimulus that leads to overtraining. I don't doubt that if I were hitting everything twice weekly going to failure I would be fooked. But I trained this way for a few months without any symptoms of overtraining--steady gains, no abnormal fatigue, no weakened immune system,, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I think the key to my split is stopping 1 rep short of failure. Repeated failure is the excess stimulus that leads to overtraining. I don't doubt that if I were hitting everything twice weekly going to failure I would be fooked. But I trained this way for a few months without any symptoms of overtraining--steady gains, no abnormal fatigue, no weakened immune system,, etc.

    It's cool man. Sorry if I sounded like an ass. And in the end as long as it works for you, use it. Again good luck
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    i tend to agree with LCSULLA as i only train 4 days a week .. but see what works for you man and good luck with your cycle

    although i do have to say i TRULY believe you'd make BETTER gains with more rest time .. its not just about the muscle recovering its also about your CNS recovering
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    3-4 day work splits depending on the workout routines at the time work the best for me. I've tried training muscle groups twice a week on cycle and off and it just lead to overtraining. Hell, I never done legs more than once every week and I couldn't imagine doing so. I'm always sore 2-3 days after, even after training all these years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    i tend to agree with LCSULLA as i only train 4 days a week .. but see what works for you man and good luck with your cycle

    although i do have to say i TRULY believe you'd make BETTER gains with more rest time .. its not just about the muscle recovering its also about your CNS recovering
    You are training under Bobo right now, no? And you are only training 4 days a week....?
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    WTF: Superdrol is overrated:(


    My ****in' ass it is overrated. Today is Day 8 of my cycle, and I have taken 12 caps so far, meaning I have averaged 15mg per day. Any big news?

    Yup, I'm up 5lbs in 8 days. I"m sure it isn't pure muscle, but I feel absolutely fantastic and I just came from a great back/bis/traps/forearms workout. Life is good. No personal bests, but I suspect that by the end of the cycle I will hit PRs in every lift.

    I am loving the SD experience so far. In general, I don't feel like I am on anything (w/ a few temporary exceptions that I will elaborate on in a moment). This is actually a potential danger b/c there is so little involved in taking it that it could be easy to go w/ a very high dose. My last cycle was norderm/4derm, which required 4 time consuming derm applications daily. Now I just swig some grapefruit juice, pop 1-2 caps, swig some more gf juice and I'm done. WIth the 19Nor/4ad I could feel the effects, but w/SD my only real indication is that I feel great in the gym. My libido might be up a bit as well.

    I have had some unwanted sides, but they have been temporary. On day 2 I had a headache all day, which made me think that SD and I would not be friends. It hasn't returned since. It may have been due to an increase in BP. My mom has a high quality BP monitor, but I haven't been able to finagle it away from her yet. I don't want her to see if I have high BP from the SD for obvious reasons.

    I have been feeling somewhat lethargic, especially during the day. This may be due to the fact that I was taking an EC stack for the last 2 months or so, though I definitely didn't abuse it. I only used it 4 days per week. I am also busy as hell, which could be the cause. Or maybe it is the SD.

    I began my workout today w/ Rack Deadlifts. I started warming up with the bar, and I felt back pumps already. I was sure this would spell disaster for Deads, squats, etc., during this cycle, after a few warmups the pumps went away. I ended up having a very enjoyable workout. I take about 6g of taurine pre-workout, and I'll pick up some bananas tomorrow. Hopefully this will keep the back pumps away.

    That is about it for now. Until next time
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    Keep up the good work Beo Is it better to take the Taurine at once or spread it out throughout the day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grassroots082
    Keep up the good work Beo Is it better to take the Taurine at once or spread it out throughout the day?
    I don't know, so I just take it before my workout. Anyone have input on this question?
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    Thumbs up


    Keep it up man, I'm looking forward to reading how your cycle goes.
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    Keep us updated bro! Did you decide to go with the 6 day split hitting each bp 2x/week?
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    Talking Day 11: +7LBS.


    Well, I continue to gain in strength and weight, and the gains appear lean. The craziest thing about this is that I have been superbusy so I have not been eating as much as I planned. Yet I'm still gaining. I am eating far less than on my first PH cycle, and yet the gains are as good without the fat gain. I am taking some time today to plan a bunch of whole food meals for the week.

    My libido seems unchanged, or perhaps it has increased a bit. I was good for 3 nuts w/ my girl yesterday.

    I do feel a bit lethargic in general, but this goes away when I go to the gym, and I remain energetic afterward.

    I felt great in the gym today. My endurance and agression are definitely up to the degree that I don't want to stop 1 rep short of failure as my training protocol requires. I have been steadily increasing the weights every session and it has been working great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cry0smate
    Keep us updated bro! Did you decide to go with the 6 day split hitting each bp 2x/week?
    I am going with hitting every bodypart 2x/week, but it is actually 2xs/8days. I do chest/legs/ back/rest...repeat.

    I have also modified my methods a bit.

    On the first leg day I focus on quad dominant movements such as leg press with a low stance, hack squats, and leg extensions. These also hit hams, but not as hard. The following day I do back, but only the horizontal pulls. I do rack deads, barbell rows, t-bar rows and cable rows. If I were to do deadlifts the day before this my spinal erectors and lumbar region would already be toast, not to mention my traps. (I have also temporarily taken squats out of my routine as they also tax the lumbar region). By going easy on these parts with the quad dominant day I am ready to go heavy for horizontal back day, which includes bis and direct trap work.

    After the back day I take a day off, then I start the cycle again. On this leg day I hit the hams hard w/ sumo deadlifts (heavy, 4-6reps), leg press with a high stance (heavy), sldls, and leg curls. For the back workout the next day I do all vertical pulls, pullups, pulldowns, and some other variations I don't really know the names of. Despite the fact that the lumbar region and the spinal erectors where taxed the previous day, they don't come into play to any great extent with the vertical pulls.

    By setting my training up this way I can maximize volume and recovery simultaneously.

    (That might have been a bit hard to follow. Let me know if anyone has questions.)
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    An Observation


    Yesterday I was unable to go to the gym due to several pain in the ass interruptions. I was pumped up about going, then I was unable to go. I was a bit annoyed, but didn't think too much about it. As the day went on, I felt depressed, was anti-social, and did not make any sort of progress on wrapping up my Master's degree, which is my primary focus right now.

    I was feeling the same way when for the first few hours today after I woke up, but once I got to the gym and started working out I felt great, and have ever since. I don't know if it is the SD, or if I am a bit dependent on the release of lifting, as it has been a great stress reliever for me during these hectic months. This may or may not be SD related; I just thought it was worth mentioning.
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    Day 12: I wasn't going to post again so soon, but: +2.6 additional lbs=+9.6 lbs


    This is getting a bit ridiculous. Last night my girl hugged me, then commented that I am getting bigger. I hit the gym today and had a great workout doing vertical pulls (pullups, etc), bis and traps. I hit 6 reps on pullups with 50lbs strapped to my waist. I think that is a PR for me.

    I came home and I was just feeling thicker, so I stepped on the scale and boom--another 2.6 lbs. My diet has definitely been tighter today. I haven't been gorging myself on food like I have in the past when bulking, yet I keep gaining like crazy. I have also been taking 1/4 cup of lemon juice and apple cider vinegar per Beast's reccommendation with all of my high carb meals. I have also been taking digestive enzymes with my bigger meals.

    One additional observation (gonna get a bit dirty here) is that I have been pooping like crazy. I took two big dumps today, (normal, but big) and have been regular for a while now. I don't know if this is SD related, or just due to the extra food.

    My general sense of well-being is soaring. I feel great. I think this is in part b/c of my training split, which taxes my muscles, but not to the point where I feel like I got my ass kicked. I leave the gym feeling like I could continue to work out, but I save the energy to study and for the next day's workout. I am definitely loving this split.
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    Good job so far Beo, keep it up man! 3 nuts EH? Didn't know it boosted that stamina . Better stay off that scale man!! I am on day 4 @ 10mg and look fuller but I am also getting tanner so I am not sure. I get alittle lethargic at times too, but it comes and goes, like I will be really energetic for awhile, then lethargic but then energetic again. What's with the vinegar and lemon juice Beo? You going 1/2 and 1/2 with each? Nice job so far.
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    Day 19: +13.4LBS


    I continue to be amazed by this stuff. Libido is unharmed (at least for now, we'll see what happens in PCT). Strength continues to climb consistently, though that is to be expected withthe type of split I'm using and the added calories. Everyone keeps telling me how I look bigger, which is probably even more striking b/c I was just doing the UD2.0 cutting, which had me depleted more often than not. I think I am still fairly lean; not much fat gain. I'll have to bic my abs and chest to really know.

    I'm not sure exactly how high I have dosed the SD. Some days I take 20mg, some days 10. I will count up the remaining caps later to figure out how many I've used. I'm guessing it will come out to less than 15mg per day.

    I think today might be my last day. I've been in contact with Bobo, and if I decide to go with his service I will take my last dose of SD tonight , then get right into PCT. I feel like I'm still in good shape, so this PCT should not be too trying. If it goes as planned I'll start with Bobo in a week or two.

    BTW, considering I have been running a low dose cycle, these gains are even more astounding. I will be satisfied if I keep 7lbs of LBM from this cycle, of course more would be delicious.
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    Great gains man, keep it up. My question is since you have probably researched this beforehand. At higher doses they're saying Taurine for back pump. What role does Taurine play as far as that is concerned?
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    I do take Taurine pre-workout, usually with a banana (potassium is also key to preventing back pumps). Guess what: I still got 'em. I even get back pumps sitting at the computer and typing. Nonetheless, I was still able to do heavy rack deads, Sumo Deadlifts, BB rows and T-Bar Rows. I actually got worse back pumps when not working out, probably b/c I didn't have the high doses of taurine and potassium.

    I also left squats out of my split for these few weeks to minimize the strain on my back. I stuck to heavy leg presses and machine hack squats.

    Regarding the science behind the role of taurine and potassim in staving of back pumps, I haven't a clue, but I would like to know.
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    Day 21 (DAY 1 OF PCT): +13LBS


    All good things must come to an end, and so has my SD cycle. I ended up taking 28 caps in 20 days for an average of 14mg per day. I can't believe how much I gained in such a short period of time. I am a happy man right now. I have stayed pretty lean too. If I gained any fat I would say it is probably >3LBS.

    Strength increases have been consistent. I hope this continues through PCT. My only lift that was held down was bench, as I have been cautious training chest so as to avoid injuring my RC. I have been doing extra slow reps with perfect form and it has felt okay.

    Amazingly, I really didn't feel like I was on a cycle, aside from feeling great in the gym and the occassional lethargy and back pumps (which I still got today; not surprising as they say the effects of SD last a week after cessation).

    Based on this experience it seems that I am a great responder to SD. And I believe this camefrom the 2nd batch. I look forward to further cycles.

    PCT:
    1Fast's Pro-Liver (Milk Thistle and NAC): 3 Caps daily
    Nolva: I took 40mg last night. Does anyone have reccommendations, as this was a light cycle and I do not feel shutdown (we'll see in a few days). I was thinking 3 weeks at 40/30/20.
    CEE: 5-6g per day
    Lots of fish oil and Flax
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    Great log and awesome gains Beo! I wish you a successful PCT.
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    What is up next


    I am going to sign up with Bobo. I can't decide if I should cut then bulk or bulk then cut. People seem to gain minimal fat with Bobo when bulking, so I might be able to cut, then bulk through summer while staying fairly lean. I'm going to borrow a digi cam from someone so I can post some pics and get some input from the boys.

    Hope this was helpful.

    I'll post a few PCT updates in the near future. Lets hope this weight sticks .
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    Quote Originally Posted by NPursuit
    Great log and awesome gains Beo! I wish you a successful PCT.
    Thanks bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    I am going to sign up with Bobo. I can't decide if I should cut then bulk or bulk then cut. People seem to gain minimal fat with Bobo when bulking, so I might be able to cut, then bulk through summer while staying fairly lean. I'm going to borrow a digi cam from someone so I can post some pics and get some input from the boys.

    Hope this was helpful.

    I'll post a few PCT updates in the near future. Lets hope this weight sticks .
    I think this is a good idea. Bobo will help you decide on what to do. And to stay possitive the results will stick!

    Your pct looks fine, even though you don't feel shut down why risk it? Especially when you can run the proper pct.

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    I can't wait to work with Bobo. I'm not going to touch AAS/PHs again until I really work everything out naturally. I have made huge progress on my own, but it is time to call in the expert.
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