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The End of My AAS Usage

ironviking

ironviking

The Axe Man Cometh!!
No this isnt another thread about how steroids ruined my life by hurting my liver, my kidneys, and stealing my credit card numbers and charging up lots of porn.

Its about how I wont use steroids again and why. I was planning on a cycle very soon but I went in to get a physical recently, most things were ok but my blood pressure was high 140/90, I went on Benicar but that only brought it down to 130/85 thats not super dangerously high but since Im typeI diab. I'm already prone to all those nasty things that high BP can cause i.e. heart disease, stroke, kidney damage or failure, and a few other things. So I decided against the cycle and went as far as to cut roids for good.

Do I hate roids now? no infact I would still use them if my health was better and they have helped me reach many of my goals I just did the proper research and this time and the risks outweighed the benefits. I mean how many times have you heard somebody say I researched for ten years before I ever pinned, then they couldnt tell you what thier liver values were or even what thier blood pressure is. Doing all the research means knowing what type of health you are in and what areas you need to keep a watch of as well as knowing what the drugs you are going to use do. :frustrate

But anyways I just wanted to post this to show that some people do the research, weigh out the risks, and actually make the decision to NOT do steroids.

Well its time to start perusing the sites of the sponsors of this board and see what cool supps I can get with all the money I made from "disposing" of all my gear.
 
One's health is not something to F'ck around with. I admire you for not ignoring the problem and researching other alternatives.

Best of luckto you Iron. :thumbsup:
 
Much respect Viking. You're making the right decision for sure. BP is nothing to take lightly.
 
Good example for everyone to get comprehensive blood tests before PH's/gear.

Good luck man.
 
Wise decision bro, get better. High BP was considered the nation's #1 silent killer in a Time Magazine story some months ago so good luck with that.
 
Good man. You're showing the reason why everyone should get routine physicals, especially when having dealt or dealing with anabolic drugs.
Sage
 
I applaud your wisdom. Ergogenic aids can only take a man so far, once you get to that point its time to stop.
 
If everyone had the same approach as yours concerning performance enhancing drugs, I believe that we would possibly have more say in what we could buy "legally" today.
 
Time to jump on an angiotensin II or an ACE to get that BP down when on cycle.... or considering the diuretic HCT or both. You'll be able to cope with the hypertension induced by the gear -- more than likely.

The bigger issue here for you is the enhanced instability of blood sugar... You'll find that most AAS prescribing papers reference this as a side. In a low-test and high-cortisol PCT situation, blood sugar stability will likely be an issue.

A good friend of mine, an MD PhD "mud-phud" at Duke, is working on a gene therapy solution for type I diabetes now with some promising findings. I think the next decade will have some great things in store for you.

I'm not encouraging your use of AAS here but wanted to point out some options.
 
respect to you and support. Thanks for sharing your personal insight. We need to all consider the realities of our situations and make personal decisions based on the facts. You will discover all the other good things to accentuate your bodybuilding goals and live a healthy and happy life.
 
crazydoc1 said:
Time to jump on an angiotensin II or an ACE to get that BP down when on cycle.... or considering the diuretic HCT or both. You'll be able to cope with the hypertension induced by the gear -- more than likely.

The bigger issue here for you is the enhanced instability of blood sugar... You'll find that most AAS prescribing papers reference this as a side. In a low-test and high-cortisol PCT situation, blood sugar stability will likely be an issue.

A good friend of mine, an MD PhD "mud-phud" at Duke, is working on a gene therapy solution for type I diabetes now with some promising findings. I think the next decade will have some great things in store for you.

I'm not encouraging your use of AAS here but wanted to point out some options.
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Thanks guys for the support, I really do appreciate it.

crazydoc I think you're missing one major point - I'm not going to do a cycle if I did one more cycle it probably wouldnt have any major impacts if I checked everything day by day and took necessary precautions but why chance it. The high BP is one thing but when doing steroids, as you mentioned, insulin needs to be increased to control BG that may also lead to high BP as well due to the increased sodium retention by the kidneys. Now stack that effect with all the effects of steroids - it just doesnt seem like a good mix to me.

I have been reading about all the research on different therapies and possible cure for diabetes and alot of it is very exciting but lets look at it realistically. The pharmaceutical companies would rather lease a treatment than sell a cure. Thats another thread entirely though. It would be nice though to not have to worry about going blind or losing limbs. A standing ovation goes to the Universities doing the research. I thank you for pointing out some options but I've already decided other things are more important.

I do appreciate everything and thank you.
 
I can appreciate this also, viking. It looks as though I am also done with AAS.

After seeing on blood tests how my liver values were affected, as well as my lipids, I was not a happy camper. We know these things can happen, and can be temporary (especially with methylated drugs), but it shows AS do have sides. This in combination with the fact that my girlfriend, whom I live with and care about very much, will not stand for it, is making me think my AS days are over. I do not feel like sneaking around and lying for something like this, JMO. I would consider it if my girl was OK with it (maybe no methyls), but these in combination are too much for me. Good luck being a natty, it's not so bad really :thumbsup:
 
I myself am done.My wife and I are trying to have a child. We both are sucessful in our careers and other things besides being big and strong are more important now. I'll continue to train hard and still continue to keep up on the board. There will always be a deep interest in the subjects we bodybuilders discuss. Good luck to all.
 
That's great man. I've been thinking the exact same things lately. The main reasons why I wanna quit are health, legality, and the fact that I kept using them as a crutch at times vs, using them with a ball to the wall attitude to make the useage completley worthwhile. And the negatives just continue to get worse as low doses just won't cut it anymore. I was only cheating myself.

I've already thrown out using methyls last year.....the only things I've been using for my past few cycles have just been injectables. So I think taking out orals will defiantley ease the mind some....just gotta have some self-control. BUt again, quitting altogether is definately a consideration here.
 
MuscleResearch said:
You are making a very good choice, not because you are choosing to quit using aas but because you are doing it for the right reasons.

-MR
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Very well said! Good luck to you Iron Viking!
 
this is definitely something you want to be proud of. congrats.
but on a side note, for everyone else with type 1 diabetes, there looks like there may be some hope:

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I'm just curious if you'd make the same decision without type I diabetes. Is that driving your decision more than the 140/90 BP?
 
That BP is not acceptable. The diastolic is the bigger concern... its in that level II hypertension zone.... but there are many options to mediate this and many people have
hypertension... the least risk and simplest in a diuretic.. such as HCT .... I'm not a fan of calcium channel blockers... so I'd push you toward an ACE inhibitor or Angiotensin II RX....

If you are recontemplating the cycle.. be aware of the increased value and indeed necessity to watch that concentrations of other substances are not too high in the then reduced blood volume. Watch your H&H to make sure everything is in the reference zone..

The Type I diabetes is the intangible. Many of these substances that you would contemplate offer hypoglycemia or insulin resistance as potential sides... .. I've not read references or studies involving type I diabetics and AAS or HRT. There has been some success with Type IIs on growth hormone... my own mother among them... without destabilization.. but as for type I's....

Probably not the answer you wanted to hear....




rrgg said:
I'm just curious if you'd make the same decision without type I diabetes. Is that driving your decision more than the 140/90 BP?
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Its actually both of them together, if it was one or the other I'm sure I'd be thinking differently but since they both conditions cause stress on the kidneys was one of the main deciding factors.

Also, since I had a big layoff last year the whole time I was trying to get back up to my pre-layoff condition I was thinking man I cant wait to get back on cycle - I wouldnt start a cycle until I got back up to atleast 210 (I was at 220). Then as I was going to start this cycle I had my physical done and my BP was high. In a way it was a good thing because it made me really think about what can happen,there are a lot of things in my life I enjoy and dialysis, stroke, or heart attack would really throw a monkey wrench into those other things. Plus I think it is time for me to stick to the basics: Blood, Sweat, and Tears - not Syringes, Vials, and PCT.

Dont get me wrong I'm not trying to push anyone away from steroids. I just wanted to put a post out there that somebody made the decision to stop using, for health reasons, and parted with gear on good terms. Instead of the usual "gear ruined my life" crap.
 
Intelligent decision Iron.....
Also some intelligent responses.
All too often in a case like this you get "experts" recommending to try this herb and that supplement for serious medical conditions.
Its your life and health you have to consider.
I know I could have made and kept more gains naturally in the last few months, than I gained and lost due to forced layoffs because of BP, Lipid, and other health problems.
I will probably be joining the club in the near future.
Good luck Bro.
 
I know how you feel, i've had it since I was 3. Luckily I'm only 20 so in like 10-15 years when I'm in my 30's hopefully there will be a cure out. Not to mention other cool gene stuff which could replace steroids. Being natural isnt too bad because there are no sides to worry about :drunk:
 
I'm considering alternatives now the same as you viking. My bp has been wacky the past 2 weeks and its driving me up the wall. I get this pressure buildup feeling in my head along with a rapid abnormal heartbeat. I've been back and forth as to whether or not to go forward with some products that I bought b/c I don't want them to go to waste. Shits frustrating.... I have the hardest time trying to get to bed at night and its like I can hear my heartbeat in my head.
I'm coming to the conclusion to do away with my cycle plans. I figure it would do more harm than good.
 
I have done about 6 cycles in the past, and have high BP on my dad's side of the family. I have not done AAS in over 3 years, though have done non methyl PHs since (last over a yr ago). I am contemplating starting up another cycle of low dose sd (20 mg), EQ (300 mg) and maybe some low dose prop (75 eod). The main reason is that I finally have got my BP lower with the continual use of hawthorne. THe celery seed was also a help, along with twinlab bp control, but after about 2 months on hawthorne, my BP is hovering 112-122 / 65-80:D . BP has always been my big concern, and the thought of using methyls makes my liver cringe a bit, as I have always favored inj. I do hear SD is not the bad on the liver, on par with that of var or M4OHN.

A little background on me: 24 yrs old, 6'1", 225-230 lbs and 9%bfat.

I do applaud the hell out of your decison man. It takes a man to step up and be concerned with his and his family's future. It makes me think about my situation too.
 
Fantastic example of somebody who 'was' mature enough and ready to use AAS....All the young kids who popped M1T like candy should take note!!
 
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