I think when it comes to "the extreme drug use of pros", it has more to do with length they stay on and precontest drugs, more than taking everything under the sun. You can develope pro level size with test, dbol, and deca, I've seen guys with average genetics do it. It's the condition of the pros at theses sizes that sets them apart. I believe training, genetics, and diet are the reason these guys are pros rather than huge amounts of drugs. Obviously they take LARGER amounts for LONGER periods than recreational bodybuilders, but taking "dorian's cycle" is ridiculous IMO, not to mention illogical. And I really can't see any pro slapping on dmso to use tren when the general consesus is that injecting is far superior. People see a guy close to 300 pounds and lean and assume he's taking everything under the sun, but that's not always the case. Anytime I see a supposed "pro's cycle" pop up, I dismiss it. Most pro's, for various reasons, are pretty tight lipped about what they use. And you simply don't need every drug under the sun to become massive, even with average genetics. The only guy I can think of that still competes that has described what they use is lee priest. He's always been accused of being a heavy user, and he has addressed this. He's not afraid to talk about his use, and the way he describes it is much less than alot of guys in the gym use. I think alot of people(I'm not saying anyone here on this board personally) see these lists as a way to make themselves feel better-"I could be a pro, but I don't want to take all the drugs". Kinda like, "SEE, he's only that big because he's a roid head and eats 35 dbol tabs and shoots a gallon of test every day."