ALRI's new phermone...

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by TheTom
    Why do you say this?

    Do you know the ingrediant?

    and if you do know the ingrediant, people have been saying it is useless in oral form.

    Your advice seems too detailed and accurate, when none of us know the exact ingrediant. Or even whether it is methylated, or has an ester attached.

    Could you explain a little more about this?
    If it's the pheromone that Sldg asked me to evaluate, and it sure sounds like it, then I do know all about it. I don't think I'm allowed to talk about it yet, but I have already tested it and am familiar with it's chemical, physical and biological properties. Even if Sldg decides to keep the active as 'proprietary' and not release the structure right away, I'll say that it's a novel substance and very strong. I will let everyone know the proper warnings, PCT, and cycle plan when he is ready to release it. It would be irresponsible to just release it and say good luck or tell you it doesn't suppress if it does. Rest assured that I will give you straight info on it's proper use as someone who has already taken that risk and is qualified to asses the possible consequences of it's use. Or, this may be a completely different product so it's all just speculation as of now.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    If it's the pheromone that Sldg asked me to evaluate, and it sure sounds like it, then I do know all about it. I don't think I'm allowed to talk about it yet, but I have already tested it and am familiar with it's chemical, physical and biological properties. Even if Sldg decides to keep the active as 'proprietary' and not release the structure right away, I'll say that it's a novel substance and very strong. I will let everyone know the proper warnings, PCT, and cycle plan when he is ready to release it. It would be irresponsible to just release it and say good luck or tell you it doesn't suppress if it does. Rest assured that I will give you straight info on it's proper use as someone who has already taken that risk and is qualified to asses the possible consequences of it's use. Or, this may be a completely different product so it's all just speculation as of now.
    dr.d - any stacking advice? if i'm gonna do a cycle and be suppressed and do PCT - i'm gonna make the most of it. especially with a new product. (on that note - many thanks to testers who try compounds solo!)
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by blank!
    dr.d - any stacking advice? if i'm gonna do a cycle and be suppressed and do PCT - i'm gonna make the most of it. especially with a new product. (on that note - many thanks to testers who try compounds solo!)
    Well, I can't make claims for an unknown product that I have no affiliation with. Size said earlier that he trusted the company and the products that they make. I really trust Size, plus I've never used that company's products, so I won't pass judgement until I know better. All I will say is you will need a real PCT and 10-20mg is a good starting dose, IF it is what I suspect it to be.

  4. D - what sort of results did you have? Is it really like M4OHN?

  5. *begin hype*
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  6. Hey, thanks for the answers DR. D, but you didn't answer the one that matters.

    Patrick Arnold is saying that this base compound has zero activity when taken orally and only a few %'s when it is attached to an ester (also taken orally).

    To me this seems completely worthless unless methylated... right?

    and from what I've seen other Guru's post. It shouldn't be any stronger than the PH's we already had on the market.

    So if we are getting 3-5% oral activity once an ester is attached and only taking 20mg, AND it's probably not as powerful as 4ad mg/mg...

    Then this should be a extreme waste of money, shouldn't it?

    We would be taking 20mg of something (esterfied) that is less powerful mg/mg than 4ad, where 4ad is usually taken in 600mg-1gram doses?

    How is an esterfied 20mg going do ANYTHING for a person?

    From what I've theorized above, taking 20mg of this (hopefully esterfied) pheremone, would be the same as taking 5-10mg of esterfied 4ad.

    Which wouldn't do anything whatsoever, not even begin to supress you.

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    So here are my questions...

    1: Is this pheremone more powerful than 4ad mg/mg?
    2: Will we get enough oral activity from this compound in BASE or ESTERFIED form, to make a difference?
    3: Is this type of compound only worth a damn when it is methylated?

  7. that particular thread also stated that this compound could be DMT...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by TheTom
    Will we get enough oral activity from this compound in BASE or ESTERFIED form, to make a difference?... Is this type of compound only worth a damn when it is methylated?
    I know nothing more about the product than anyone else, but I do not believe that ALR would release a worthless product. ALR (like Designer Supps) has an excellent reputation. Therefore, I would certainly expect this product to be effective. It would be illogical for such an individual to release a "junk" product. However, I too would like to know specifically what it includes and possible side effects.

  9. DMT? Dimethyltest?

    Size - I asked them via email and got the same generic response posted on page 1 of this thread. I think someone close to Rea will have to release it, or get it tested.

  10. no, desoxy methyl test

  11. Quote Originally Posted by TheTom
    Hey, thanks for the answers DR. D, but you didn't answer the one that matters.

    Patrick Arnold is saying that this base compound has zero activity when taken orally and only a few %'s when it is attached to an ester (also taken orally).
    The free alcohol is LT 100% of test & the acetate is in the 150% range, but that would be trans or IM, orally it would be nothing too spectacular. Maybe I read the ad wrong, I thought it said 1200% comp to MT, that would def be the methylated version. Like I said, I haven't tried the product. But I can testify that Sldg's stuff is potent. About 33% stronger that SD, but it has an edge to it. Kinder on the mood, amazingly, but a hard core androgen too, so much "dirtier" than SD. I can see a lot of guys really liking it though. If you like the hardcore stuff like MDHT and 3a,b-Diol, then this will be a real treat, because it's more anabolic that any comparable androgen out there and still about 2x as androgenic as MT. But please remember, it's a pheromone, so when I use terms like 'anabolic' or 'androgenic', I'm speaking in a relative way. I'm sure Sldg is marketing his product specifically to help you guys score with the ladies, and nothing more, so don't ask too many more questions right now. I think ALR played their cards a little too soon, we'll see what happens.

  12. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Thanks for the great info. Dr. D.

    Looking forward to Sledge's stuff... going to have to pass on ErgoMax though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TheTom
    So here are my questions...

    1: Is this pheremone more powerful than 4ad mg/mg?
    2: Will we get enough oral activity from this compound in BASE or ESTERFIED form, to make a difference?
    3: Is this type of compound only worth a damn when it is methylated?
    name one methylated hormone that is worth a damn w/o the 17aa, in similar doses.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by blank!
    name one methylated hormone that is worth a damn w/o the 17aa, in similar doses.
    There are some, but they are not commercially available, yet. It is rare, but you are going to start seeing some very weird products now with the ban, so some of the old rules are going to disappear. God willing, I am hoping to have some say in this. Sldg is a great guy, he has entertained all my ideas so far.

  15. Im not ruling out anything for the future. The only I problem I have with ALR and this product is that if its toxic, the user should know. I think he played his cards too soon as well, a mistake I wont make.
  16. Wink


    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    DMT? Dimethyltest?

    Size - I asked them via email and got the same generic response posted on page 1 of this thread. I think someone close to Rea will have to release it, or get it tested.
    DiMethylTryptamine and away we gooo! wooohooo ... this thread sorta strikes me as insane, might aswell mention hallucinogenic drugs, mystery pheremones that promote muscle growth through mysterious means marketed to men to help attract ladies? well I hope they work like SD :P

  17. Quote Originally Posted by size
    I know nothing more about the product than anyone else, but I do not believe that ALR would release a worthless product. ALR (like Designer Supps) has an excellent reputation. Therefore, I would certainly expect this product to be effective. It would be illogical for such an individual to release a "junk" product. However, I too would like to know specifically what it includes and possible side effects.
    I found this collection of articles by ALR on bb.com. There's a couple of pics of him as well.

  18. There was a pic of him @ 135 in MD a while back. His transformation is incredible.

  19. i think im goin to try this , one bottle before i try SD so i can let everyone kno the results
    ive been ph free for 2 1/2 mnths so i should respond quick if this stuff is any good

  20. if anyone finds out whether this stuff is methylated, please inform the rest of us. Thanks.

  21. someone should get some and send it too a lab too see whats in it.

  22. Is that an offer?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by D_town
    Is that an offer?
    Yeah, right! Me too. I already have chrom and physicals on Sldg's, send me a bottle and I'll assay it. At least I could say what it isn't and might be.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Yeah, right! Me too. I already have chrom and physicals on Sldg's, send me a bottle and I'll assay it. At least I could say what it isn't and might be.
    Do you really need a whole bottle to assay it?
    If it is DMT as speculated this could be very risky for all involved. Various agencies are claiming it as a designer steroid ala THG. Here's one article though I'm sure you've alll heard about it by now.

    Scientists find new designer steroid

    Duncan Mackay
    Wednesday February 2, 2005
    The Guardian

    Scientists at the World Anti-Doping Agency have discovered a new designer anabolic steroid designed specifically to evade drugs tests, fulfilling the prophecy made last year by Victor Conte.
    The founder and owner of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, who allegedly distributed the first designer anabolic steroid tetrahydrogestrinone or THG, had claimed a new drug was already in production. "You think it's over just because they've indicted me?" he had said. "Please. There's a new version out there right now."

    His claim has been confirmed by the identification of another hitherto undetectable substance called desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT). The new steroid would have a similar impact to testosterone if used, increasing strength, muscle bulk and stamina.

    "Following the THG story, this is the second designer steroid we have found," Wada's scientific director Olivier Rabin said from Montreal. "We believe this was created purely for doping in sport."

    Just as in the discovery of THG, officials were alerted to the existence of this new drug by a whistleblower; this time it was an anonymous emailer who alerted Wada to the seizure. Wada and professor Christiane Ayotte, the head of the Wada-accredited laboratory in Montreal, worked with Canadian customs scientists who had seized it at the border with the United States last July to determine that it was a new form of performance-enhancing steroid.

    Ayotte said retests of stored urine samples taken from athletes in recent months showed no trace of the drug and she believes it was caught before it went into general circulation. "This puts us ahead of the dopers," claimed Rabin.

    The new drug is the most complex substance yet discovered by testers and is several generations ahead of THG. Even officials expressed an element of admiration at the cleverness of its creation. "THG was a modification of gestrinone [a female fertility drug] by a simple one-step reaction," Ayotte said. "But in this case we know, because we exactly reproduced the way they made this product, that it is at a level of sophistication that we have not seen before.

    "We now have chemists with a very serious organic chemistry background helping these people distribute these things to athletes."

    Because this synthetic steroid lingers in the liver without breaking down, however, it is potentially highly damaging. "They used chemicals that are very dangerous," said Ayotte. "They are highly flammable when exposed to the air and toxic. There was no purification."

    The discovery of this new drug indicates that THG was almost certainly the result of sustained development and not just the invention of an amateur scientist who got lucky. "This proves that THG was not a one-off," said Rabin. "This new substance has been discovered so quickly after THG because we learned some lessons from the THG story. This shows them how serious we are."

    The cloak-and-dagger contest between the testers and rogue scientists is increasingly fascinating.

    Many are returning to steroids manufactured nearly 50 years ago to try to fool the testers. By altering the pharmacological make-up of some drugs it is possible to avoid them showing up in tests or sometimes the substance is so old that they have simply been forgotten.

    Such a case happened in 2003 when Dr Don Catlin, the head of the Los Angeles Wada-accredited laboratory, suspected that Tammy Thomas, an American cyclist who had won a silver medal in the 2001 world championships, was using illegal drugs but was perplexed by her test results.

    After some research Catlin discovered she was using norethandrolone, a drug developed in the 1960s to help undersized men but never released after inconclusive clinical trials. Thomas was banned from cycling for life.

    Catlin and Ayotte are at the forefront of the fight against doping in sport. It was Catlin who identified and developed a test for THG and now Ayotte has struck another blow.

    The source for the manufacturer of these illegal drugs is suspected to be laboratories in China or India. The FBI uncovered evidence during its investigation into Conte that THG started life at a plant in Hangzhou, China, where it is easy to obtain all the raw materials needed to make designer steroids. It is probably a similar story with DMT.

    "The universe of these people is large," said Catlin. "The world is big. Who knows what goes on in the nooks and crannies?"

  25. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz
    Do you really need a whole bottle to assay it?
    If it is DMT as speculated this could be very risky for all involved. Various agencies are claiming it as a designer steroid ala THG.
    Various agencies like who? Your right, one wouldn't require much to test it, but if that's what it is, I'll keep my hands off. The numbers they gave were a bit high if it's really DesoxyMT and not what I was thinking. Thanks for the heads up.
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