ALRI's new phermone...

**Twin Peak** · 02-01-2005, 05:42 PM

Hmmm.

**Beowulf** · 02-01-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast

That's what I wasn't sure of. I am not going to order it because it seems kind of shady since they don't say what exactly is in it, but just curious as to if anyone could find info on it.

Are you Derek/Beast from bb.com?

**Twin Peak** · 02-01-2005, 05:56 PM

That's what I was wondering. Except I would have said Derek/Beast from AL.

**XxCrisisxX** · 02-01-2005, 06:01 PM

Bump for Sledge to provide some info. I'm extremely interested.

**Beowulf** · 02-01-2005, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

That's what I was wondering. Except I would have said Derek/Beast from AL.

Yeah, I guess I usually read his contest prep at bb.com. I really should check out Avants board. BTW, sesathin rocks.

**Beast** · 02-01-2005, 06:42 PM

Tis I, Beast from Avant and BB.com. I figured this since boards is "in the know" when it comes to these things, someone may have some info. And I was right

Something interesting from the site:
"Better yet, it is natural! We eat it every time we eat a steak or a hamburger…though you would have to eat about a whole cow or elephant a day to get the amount in just one capsule!"

Interesting.
If it is indeed the same thing Sledge is releasing, I will be happy when Sledge releases it as I trust him.

**XxCrisisxX** · 02-01-2005, 06:47 PM

Derek, are contemplating joining the "dark side?"

**Beast** · 02-01-2005, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by XxCrisisxX

Derek, are contemplating joining the "dark side?"

Illegal stuff, no.

**XxCrisisxX** · 02-01-2005, 06:54 PM

So, if it is legal and anabolic steroid by definition...

Your gonna be a monster.

**Twin Peak** · 02-01-2005, 08:12 PM

I believe Derek is androgen free.

**Beast** · 02-01-2005, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I believe Derek is androgen free.

Correct, which is why this new compound interested me. Not knowing what it is though... Whether it is an actual androgen or steroid, we'll see.

**XxCrisisxX** · 02-01-2005, 09:07 PM

I have a feeling it's a steroid.

**Beowulf** · 02-01-2005, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast

Tis I, Beast from Avant and BB.com. I figured this since boards is "in the know" when it comes to these things, someone may have some info. And I was right

Something interesting from the site:
"Better yet, it is natural! We eat it every time we eat a steak or a hamburger…though you would have to eat about a whole cow or elephant a day to get the amount in just one capsule!"

Interesting.
If it is indeed the same thing Sledge is releasing, I will be happy when Sledge releases it as I trust him.

Of course, cows nowadays are injected w/ all sorts of hormones, and 1,4Andro comes from cow ****, so this does not necessarily eliminate the possibility of it being hormonal.

**dego** · 02-01-2005, 09:47 PM

If its actions are mediated by the AR it IS related to AAS maybe not chemically but functionaly it is having the same effect. 'After 8 weeks there is some HPTA inhibition'.... uh doesn't this set off some bells. Nonandrogen agonist of the AR.

**XxCrisisxX** · 02-01-2005, 10:01 PM

Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winner.

**Grant** · 02-01-2005, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Derek_aka_Beast

Correct, which is why this new compound interested me. Not knowing what it is though... Whether it is an actual androgen or steroid, we'll see.

I thought you did m1t? I guess that was a rumor?

**DR.D** · 02-01-2005, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by size

I believe in ALR supplements. However, I would like to see the ingredients before I comment.

I think that's the whole deal, it a 'proprietary blend' which means, it ain't gonna be labeled! They're not going to tell anyone, because that's what the ban has done to the game now. It would apprear that Sldg has been ripped off though, intresting similarities to Sldg's pheremone (which is quite potent and effective BTW) I've never tried ALR's stuff but now one must find a company that they trust to ingest something not completely defined. It makes for a lot of guess work and speculation. How do you use it? If it inhibits, what's for PCT? Etc, etc... So stick with places that have the best rep.

**size** · 02-01-2005, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by DR.D

I've never tried ALR's stuff but now one must find a company that they trust to ingest something not completely defined. It makes for a lot of guess work and speculation. How do you use it? If it inhibits, what's for PCT? Etc, etc... So stick with places that have the best rep.

ALR is a very bright mind in this industry with good products. I believe in his products and his work.

**DR.D** · 02-01-2005, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by size

ALR is a very bright mind in this industry with good products. I believe in his products and his work.

Well if you trust them, that's good enough for me, Size. What else do they make?

**size** · 02-02-2005, 12:32 AM

ALRI has one product that contains phosphatidylserine that is unique since so few companies even deal with PS. Also, ALR wrote the book "building the perfect beast".

**Zero Tolerance** · 02-02-2005, 12:55 AM

Hmmm.. So is this "life after the ban"?

**mtruther** · 02-02-2005, 03:08 AM

I was wondering why we didn't hear anything about Sledge's phermone when all the threads started popping up asking what was next after prohormones were banned.

Oh well, here we go...

**Syr** · 02-02-2005, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by size

ALRI has one product that contains phosphatidylserine that is unique since so few companies even deal with PS.

PS is available bulk and from many health stores (in europe at least)

**DR.D** · 02-02-2005, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by size

ALRI has one product that contains phosphatidylserine that is unique since so few companies even deal with PS. Also, ALR wrote the book "building the perfect beast".

Rea is most innovative. His approach to salt consumption and water balance pre-contest is intresting. Just shows that there are many different ways to accomplish something and we aren't all the same.

**SJA** · 02-02-2005, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by XxCrisisxX

Derek, are contemplating joining the "dark side?"

What exactly is the "dark side"? When someone says "all natural", it is increasingly becoming a joke because they are always asked to "explain" what it means.
A hundred years ago, you still grew or killed your own food....that was "all natural". Nowadays, as stated, vegetables and meats are injected with chemicals to optimize growth. We bodybuilders ingest processed food powders (artificially substituted food substitutes) along with the onslaught of creatines, NO products, thermogenics...etc....etc....e tc. The last time that I checked, I wasn't getting 3 grams of CEE from a rare steak or 3 grams of B5 from a piece of salmon (you know...for those times when acne is flaring up). When is the last time you picked a protein bar from a tree or shrub? Or plucked some Doritos from your garden?
I can also remember a time when taking PH's was still considered "all natural" because the definition really equated to "all legal". Since the ban of ephedra and now ph/ps and the looming "no unadulterated supplements" ban, the definition is becoming greyer and greyer.

Derek has kept "all legal" and PH/PS/AAS free. I've watched him toy with the idea of "joining the dark side" in the legal sense (PH/PS) a couple times but he's chosen to stay out of the androgen loop. With his genetics I think that he naturally has high test/GH levels anyway. I'm sure that he hates explaining himself every time someone questions his questions because it's a difficult question to answer "I thought you were all natural". I've seen people ask this before and the person being asked really doesn't have a leg to stand on other than "all legal". So if Derek wants to try a phermone to get some chicks and it happens to make him an even bigger freak....then more power to him

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