Should Nolva be used

[Yodambomb]

I have seen on the internet that Nolva is supposed to be the best SERM out there . And just recently I heard from somebody very knowledgeable. That Nolva wasn't that good and harder on sides . I just got Nolva so I'm wondering if I should stack both , or should I just drop the Nolva once I get the clomid or Torem ?? .. Any thoughts ?

 

[mw1]

Nolva has always worked well for myself with less sides than others

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah plus I have like 2 post cycle products . Wicked PCT from AAR and OSTA SARM from ironmag labs

 

[ion26]

No need to be using more than 1 SERM. Nolva>Clomid IMO. Not interested in going blind on Clomid

 

[kaikara]

OSTA SARM from ironmag labs

Don't use that in your PCT. It's suppressive. You'll just be spinning your wheels.

 

[Yodambomb]

Don't use the SARM or the wicked PCT ? Because I don't think that it's the same kind as the ones from the research labs ...

 

[chris223]

All of the three popular SERMs work, all have their own sides, none of the three is "the best". Most people prefer one over the others, and if you ask three people you'll probably get three different opinions. Just pick one and dose it properly. Don't buy into that comment about "going blind on Clomid", either. Vision sides on Clomid only occur at high doses.

 

[Yodambomb]

So that's what OSTA stands for lol . So that hit probably isn't even really a SARM then huh ?

 

[thehogsters]

Clomid has never gave me any sides and it dont kill your dikc like nolva can.

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah idk I'm just going to run like 20mgs a day , reduce the pct from 3 to 2 a day and if I do stay on the SARM which I'm still debating an doing research just do that 2 instead of 3 a day

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah it's supposed to be real but I thought that it was off at first because I've been seeing them on the research labs and I had gotten the OSTA from strong supps .com and they sell prohormones . So I figured that SARMS are on the same level as SERMS

 

[tcslick]

I have seen on the internet that Nolva is supposed to be the best SERM out there . And just recently I heard from somebody very knowledgeable. That Nolva wasn't that good and harder on sides . I just got Nolva so I'm wondering if I should stack both , or should I just drop the Nolva once I get the clomid or Torem ?? .. Any thoughts ?

If you are are trying to get the HPTA axis restarted you need clomid. The Nolva will only keep your free estrogen from binding to estrogen receptors.

 

[Yodambomb]

I only did a pro not a test cycle .., but idk whether that matters

 

[EatMoar]

If you are are trying to get the HPTA axis restarted you need clomid. The Nolva will only keep your free estrogen from binding to estrogen receptors.

I've heard this any times where nolva will prevent gyno and estrogen bounce back but clomid effects the hpta while nolva doesn't.

 

[superbeast668]

Use both. If it's made it into the anabolic bible , llewellyn's books on anabolics and various other pieces of literature written by dr types why wouldn't you follow it? To say not to use both is absurd. Pct with clomid is decent. Pct with nolva is decent. The two together brings me back so damn quick.

 

[rphash49]

Use both. If it's made it into the anabolic bible , llewellyn's books on anabolics and various other pieces of literature written by dr types why wouldn't you follow it? To say not to use both is absurd. Pct with clomid is decent. Pct with nolva is decent. The two together brings me back so damn quick.

Yep. I use both and it works marvelous

 

[Yodambomb]

I am going to just have to continue with the Nolva and say that Nolva will be alright but I did here from a super steroid expert that clomid and Torem are the two best ones

 

[EatMoar]

Not true.

Where's your proof, I'm pretty sure those we're quoted with studies.

I wish I used both but I had no issue after my
Cycle.

 

[Matthersby]

My torem showed up again today. I poo on all other serms.

 

[Yodambomb]

Damn Mathersby ! Wish ya woulda told me to ****s with the clomid but it's all good tho , I'm still gaining weight on my SERM lol

 

[thehogsters]

Clomid with Torem was great for me

 

[Matthersby]

Be sure to read the article where I poo on it....

 

[Matthersby]

i thought this was interesting because everybody that takes torem talks about how fast it seems to work. but this study seems to show that nolva works faster. idk, it's just one study.

http://www.ergo-log.com/nolvabest.html

Read it. Poo'd on it.....

 

[EatMoar]

you could write a book with all of the studies showing that nolva works at restoring hpta function.

Mkay, I've been told bro science then, thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense now since they are both serms and act on almost the same pathways

 

[tcslick]

Mkay, I've been told bro science then, thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense now since they are both serms and act on almost the same pathways

You've been told bro science about what? That you need clomid? I wouldn't call that bro science. As other posters have stated there is a substantial amount of research by experts showing that clomid works along with Nolva at restoring the HPTA Axis. Bodybuilders, athletes, and amateurs have been using the clomid/Nolva protocol for decades. Why? Because a it works.

 

[EatMoar]

You've been told bro science about what? That you need clomid? I wouldn't call that bro science. As other posters have stated there is a substantial amount of research by experts showing that clomid works along with Nolva at restoring the HPTA Axis. Bodybuilders, athletes, and amateurs have been using the clomid/Nolva protocol for decades. Why? Because a it works.

Nono not about that, about nolva NOT acting on the hpta at all

 

[tcslick]

Nono not about that, about nolva NOT acting on the hpta at all

Oh ok I was confused.

 

[Yodambomb]

So should I be using Nolva or not lol

 

[tcslick]

So should I be using Nolva or not lol

I always have used nolva and clomid for my PCT. And if I was on a long cycle (i.e. test-e,deca or EQ) then I'll add in hcg also.

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah see idk barely anything about that because I've only done the pros because there a lot easier and a lot risky if you don't know what your doing . Everybody just recommended me taking a SERM because I finished a a triple stack with tren epi and MSten

 

[tcslick]

Yeah see idk barely anything about that because I've only done the pros because there a lot easier and a lot risky if you don't know what your doing . Everybody just recommended me taking a SERM because I finished a a triple stack with tren epi and MSten

Go with their advice. I'm alot more versed in AAS than PHs

 

[Matthersby]

So should I be using Nolva or not lol

Yoda Yoda Yoda. They're all serms, they all work my friend. My test levels at 35 are evidence of this.... I've used every kind.

 

[Matthersby]

Go with their advice. I'm alot more versed in AAS than PHs

Yes you are, but SD will shut me down in 20 days time, and they are all extremely powerful hormones. Adding test and other injectables for longer periods may require more measures(hcg/longer, more aggressive pct) but I'm teaching these guys that the steroid they bought at Vitamin World will never sell the SERM needed for their post cycle.

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah are considered the weak **** when it comes to AAS lol but yeah I believe ya dawg . I was just confused by all these katz

 

[Yodambomb]

I dot think that vitamin world sells prohormones anymore lol

 

[Yodambomb]

Next time I'm going for the quad stack lol

 

[Yodambomb]

Androgeddon by AAR lol

 

[mtinsideout]

Yeah plus I have like 2 post cycle products . Wicked PCT from AAR and OSTA SARM from ironmag labs

IML is legit but save the osta for another cycle, don't use it in PCT.

 

[Yodambomb]

What is IML tho ?

 

[rphash49]

What is IML tho ?

Iron mag labs...... Maybe

 

[Yodambomb]

That was what he ment . Your right thank you

 

[jonny21]

For sides, Nolva...prolactin sides dostinex and nolva (I get crazy itchy nipples on Tren)...for hpta kickstart, clomid.

I'd spout out names of the dr's that I used to follow on these sites but I'm old now I really cannot remember them (maybe Crisler)...Clomid can be used at a much lower dose than most recommend on these forums. You can start at 25 or 12.5 and taper down from there

 

[Yodambomb]

Yeah I'm just not about to order Clomid lol on my next cycle however I'm sure that I will

 

[Yodambomb]

Dude I have no idea what any of that means bro lol

 

[jonny21]

Dude I have no idea what any of that means bro lol

He's talking about using Mirapex off label to treat elevated prolactin levels...one of it's off label uses is for "sexual dysfunction"

I stick with dostinex since its primary use is to treat prolactinomas, as is bromcriptine.

I am sensitive to gyno with hormones that effect progesterone, mainly trenbolone.

 

[Yodambomb]

Idk it never affected my hornyness lol