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    Time for a change..first time PH user needing advice.


    First off my history. I have been seriously training for at least 5+ years. For the last three years I have competed in three bodybuilding shows, one was for NGA and the other two were OCB. I work with a nutritionist so my diet is pretty much always good, and I am 39.

    I think now is a time for a change. I feel my body is still responding but it just seems the gains have slowed down so much. Friend of mine used Super DMZ 2.0 and he responded greatly and he never has a good diet. I am looking at this.....

    First 4 weeks
    Anabolic matrix rx- 2 a day
    Advanced Cycle support 2 a day
    Multi-Vitamin- 3 a day
    1000mg Fish Oil- 4 a day
    Liver support- 2 a day
    Iron- 1 a day
    Magnesium- 1 a day
    Super Dmz- 2 a day


    Last 4 weeks
    Anabolic matrix rx- 2 a day
    Advanced Cycle support 2 a day
    Multi-Vitamin- 3 a day
    1000mg Fish Oil- 4 a day
    Liver support- 2 a day
    Iron- 1 a day
    Magnesium- 1 a day

    Liquid Clomid- 100/50/50/50

    My questions are should I be using Formeron in place of any of the above. I have read some use it for the entire eight week cycle. Also, with the above mentioned do I need all of that? I got the recommendation from a sticky at iron labs, and I just want to make sure if I need it all or iron labs may just be adding stuff in that you really do not need. What about E-control, should I use it also.

    My main worries are of course gyno and hair loss. Even though I am already basically bald If any of this is wrong than just recommend me something else, because I greatly appreciate all the advice. Some may say why not just use some Test-E, well it is easier for me to get some Super DMZ than it is test. Thanks guys.

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    I'd run this cycle 6 weeks. Sdmz 2.0 is very potent and you'll have crazy without bad sides. I ran Sten-zine which is from another company but the same ingredients. No lie I put on 20 pounds in 4 weeks and it was lean but of course some was glycogen, I ran it for 6 weeks. I would recommend a test base though for cycle. I'd use the formeron for your pct.
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    Bumping this fellows.
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    At 5'8 160lb I hope you're incredibly lean, 6%, before bringing out the big guns like this
    Getting lean as **** then taking this would be pretty epic, not going to lie

    If you're a bit fatter, 9% or above I'd stick to a non-dht, preferably "wet" compound (I hate that word). m1,4add or halodrol would be perfect. You can get them both in a combo as well. Take some arimidex and estrogen is fine. For hair loss, I rub in maybe a dime sized squirt of nizoral 2% every night and wash it out in the morning and I'm getting regrowth
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    I think I would only use the formeron in an emergency.. you wont just grow tits over night on any cycle. there will be plenty of warning when and if you have complications.. and estrogen is good for growth. too many people are running AIs during cycles needlessly.
    if u do run form for 8 weeks I recommend you look into some joint help otherwise your going to be in pain towards the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xR1pp3Rx View Post
    I think I would only use the formeron in an emergency.. you wont just grow tits over night on any cycle. there will be plenty of warning when and if you have complications.. and estrogen is good for growth. too many people are running AIs during cycles needlessly.
    if u do run form for 8 weeks I recommend you look into some joint help otherwise your going to be in pain towards the end.
    I totally agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    At 5'8 160lb I hope you're incredibly lean, 6%, before bringing out the big guns like this
    Getting lean as **** then taking this would be pretty epic, not going to lie

    If you're a bit fatter, 9% or above I'd stick to a non-dht, preferably "wet" compound (I hate that word). m1,4add or halodrol would be perfect. You can get them both in a combo as well. Take some arimidex and estrogen is fine. For hair loss, I rub in maybe a dime sized squirt of nizoral 2% every night and wash it out in the morning and I'm getting regrowth
    Agree. I'm 5 foot 8 190 11% bf and I didn't cycle until I was at least 180ish
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    Guys I am trying to understand what would be the difference between taking this when I am low in bf or when my bf is in the 9-12 % range?
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    You respond to hormones better when you're lean and you're in a much better position to grow
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    What is your bf%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    What is your bf%?
    Right about 12 % that was about a month ago. I go see my nutritionist friend once a month so he can tweak my diet if needed. He has me bulking and trying to get me up around 175.
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    39yr old, 160lbs, 12%bf. How much did you weight when you competed? 140-150? Man I don't know if I would recommend a ds cycle for you honestly. Super dmz is harsh and at your body weight, lean mass and age I just think you are asking for trouble. But hey at 39 you are a grown man so do what you like. I would recommend getting to your target weight of 175 before running anything.
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    This last show before I starting dieting I was 165 and the goal was to get to 150, but I lost a lot of muscle and came in at 140. 39!!!, I am still a kid
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    Quote Originally Posted by NedFlanders View Post
    This last show before I starting dieting I was 165 and the goal was to get to 150, but I lost a lot of muscle and came in at 140. 39!!!, I am still a kid
    Hey I'm 35 and I feel like I'm 25 so Im with you. My knees and lower back sometimes remind me how old I am. Anywho I would say get to 175 and 12%bf before cycling
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    hard to tell without a pic really
    scale doesn't tell a lot
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    Im 43 now did first cycle at 41 and ran
    Test cyp 500 week pin 2x week for 12 weeks thats all and it was freaking awesome. Start small and see what you tolerance is everyone reacts different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegastex View Post
    Im 43 now did first cycle at 41 and ran
    Test cyp 500 week pin 2x week for 12 weeks thats all and it was freaking awesome. Start small and see what you tolerance is everyone reacts different.
    What was your bf % when you did your first cycle?
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    I been lifting for years. I didnt check my body fat I know I have some bf I just wanted the boost in my work out. I try and watch what I eat for the most part. Now I like Tren & cyp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegastex View Post
    I been lifting for years. I didnt check my body fat I know I have some bf I just wanted the boost in my work out. I try and watch what I eat for the most part. Now I like Tren & cyp
    Mmmm tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Mmmm tren
    damn it, read thru the posts i didnt read before. now i want to hop on another cycle. i hate you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    damn it, read thru the posts i didnt read before. now i want to hop on another cycle. i hate you all.
    Lol blast and cruise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post

    Lol blast and cruise
    Ahaha yeah at age 21 that sounds like a horrible idea. Let's do it ;D

    Might as well start preloading cycle assist lol
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    Cycling is something done in Tour De France
    If you're serious about this then you won't get far on a cycle a year or whatever. It will be hard to maintain on just nutjuice
    Better for your health and physique just to take the smallest amount of test you need to grow then drop down to whatever it takes to maintain 10% of your best

    Guy that shrinks on a cc a week is big fella
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    Cycling is something done in Tour De France
    If you're serious about this then you won't get far on a cycle a year or whatever. It will be hard to maintain on just nutjuice
    Better for your health and physique just to take the smallest amount of test you need to grow then drop down to whatever it takes to maintain 10% of your best

    Guy that shrinks on a cc a week is big fella
    You're 100% correct. I'm only 21 and plan on going pro. I have the genetics for it. I'm blasting and cruising now cuz l know its a necessity. I know I'm pretty much putting myself on TRT but I'm fine with that. I'm not having kids. I mean I think at 5'9 and 212 with abs I'm definitely on my way.
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    maybe, it depends on frame
    scale doesn't really tell a lot. Like my pic you can see I am holding water like a camel at the moment, I am sitting around 77kg but how much of this is real size when you take away the fat and water? Maybe 10kg off that. Pictures don't really lie though
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    maybe, it depends on frame
    scale doesn't really tell a lot. Like my pic you can see I am holding water like a camel at the moment, I am sitting around 77kg but how much of this is real size when you take away the fat and water? Maybe 10kg off that. Pictures don't really lie though
    True dat. Guys tell me I actually look heavier though, so I guess I'm doing somethin right lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post

    You're 100% correct. I'm only 21 and plan on going pro. I have the genetics for it. I'm blasting and cruising now cuz l know its a necessity. I know I'm pretty much putting myself on TRT but I'm fine with that. I'm not having kids. I mean I think at 5'9 and 212 with abs I'm definitely on my way.
    You're going to kill it brotha
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    You're going to kill it brotha
    Thanks brah. I really hope so, I'm busting my ass. Got big shows next year so I gotta slaughter them.
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