Azelaic Acid with Test/Deca cycle?
- 01-09-2005, 08:06 PM
- 01-11-2005, 01:09 PM
- 01-11-2005, 03:09 PM
01-11-2005, 05:15 PM
you can use finesteride with test and deca. Making the deca stronger will be less harsh on your hair line than what the dht from the test will do.
01-11-2005, 06:23 PM
Hmmm, interesting. I had always *heard* that deca with finasteride is a very bad combo. But perhaps you are correct in regards to it being less androgenic than dht. Wholesalehairproducts has a pretty good deal on Azelaic Acid and I read that it can block 100% Dht on areas of application.
By the way, what is revivogen? And where can I find it? Anyone else have any info?
01-11-2005, 11:16 PM
Revivogen.com or about a thousand other sites just type in revivogen in a search engine. I don't use the shampoo just the hair serum. It has azelaic acid and a bunch of other anti-dht stuff in it.
The active ingredients of Revivogen™ are natural compounds proven to inhibit of 5-Alpha-Reductase (the enzyme that produces DHT), block the androgen receptors and stimulate hair growth. These active ingredients include Gamma Linolenic acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic acid (ALA), Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid, Azaleic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw Palmetto Extract, Beta-Sitosterol and Procyanidin Oligomers. Revivogen™ is the only product that contains these ingredients in one easy to use topical formula..
GLA, ALA, Linoleic Acid and Oleic Acid
Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA), Linoleic and Oleic Acid are essential fatty acids found in plant oils. These fatty acids have been individually proven to inhibit 5-Alpha Reductase. In fact these are the most powerful inhibitors of 5-Alpha Reductase known today and not only they inhibit the Type II form of the 5-Alpha Reductase which other products like Propecia® inhibit, but also the Type I form of the enzyme which is present in high concentrations in the scalp, sebaceous glands, and the skin. Additionally GLA, ALA and Oleic acid have potent anti-inflammatory properties. Publications
Azelaic Acid, Vitamin B6 and Zinc
Azelaic acid is a naturally occurring dicarboxylic acid found in whole grain cereals, rye, and barley and animal products. It is FDA approved as a topical preparation for treatment of acne and is effective against a number of other skin conditions when applied topically. There is strong scientific evidence that Azelaic Acid and Zinc are potent inhibitors of 5-Alpha-Reductase. When Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6 and Zinc Sulfate where added together at very low concentrations, 90% inhibition of 5 Alpha-Reductase activity was obtained. The synergistic activity of these compounds against 5-Alpha-Reductase makes this combination very effective in treatment of male pattern baldness.
By combining GLA, ALA, Linoleic Acid, Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc Sulfate and Saw Palmetto extract, we have created a natural yet extremely powerful anti-DHT formula. These ingredients work through different mechanisms to synergistically inhibit both type 1 and 2 forms of 5-Alpha Reductase and decrease DHT locally. By decreasing the DHT levels, hair follicles can grow and thicken naturally, leading to a fuller, healthier scalp without the side effects associated with synthetic drugs. Publications
Saw Palmetto Extract
Saw palmetto has been extensively studied over the past several years for the treatment of enlarged prostate in men ( BPH ). Saw Palmetto extract which is a known anti-androgen is the liposerolic extract of the fruit of Saw Palmetto.
Saw Palmetto has shown to effectively block the formation of DHT and is also believed to block the androgen receptors which are found on the hair follicles. Like GLA and ALA it also blocks Type 1 and Type 2 forms of 5 alpha-reductase and has shown to be more potent than Finasteride, the active ingredient of Propecia.
01-12-2005, 04:25 AM
01-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Yea, spiro would work but I'm just a cheapass tryin to save $15.00. I read some interesting stuff on Customs site on azelaic acid and thought maybe I'd give it try. But if nothing else, I spring for some sprio.
01-12-2005, 08:26 PM
i'm currently using custom's azelaic acid....on an M1,4ADD/1-T/4-ad/M5 cycle and wanted to prevent any shedding....sorta hard to tell considering my hair is like 1/2" long, but it's not falling out.Originally Posted by XxCrisisxX
azelaic acid does cause some irritation...i'd just grab a bottle for $9 and see how it works for you. it seems like the the ideal product, blocking DHT only in the place you want it to.
01-12-2005, 08:30 PM
01-12-2005, 11:40 PM
01-13-2005, 01:27 AM
well it's laid out in a less-than-ideal way. i started with just 1-T/4-ad/M5, all oral....weight goes up 5 lbs in the first 2 weeks and stength was way up...then i sprain my neck (doing an all-time high on incline bench) and cant lift for 3 days plus had to sleep alot to help it heal (still kept diet up), and i lost all 5 lbs....slowly gaining it back and decided to throw the M1,4ADD into the mix. plan to run it 3-4 weeks depending on its effectivity, then finish with 2 weeks of 1-T and MDHT....so i guessOriginally Posted by KCPreki11
week 1: 1-T/4-ad/M5 @ 330/600/40
week 2: 1-T/4-ad/M5 @ 660/900/60
week 3: M1,4ADD/1-T/4-ad/M5 @ 180/660/900/60 ---> i am here
week 4: M1,4ADD/1-T/4-ad/M5 @ 180/660/900/60
week 5: M1,4ADD/1-T/4-ad/M5 @ 180/660/900/60
week 6: MDHT/1-T @ 50/660
week 7: MDHT/1-T @ 100/660
sides? libido is way up. some acne. no lethargy at all. mood is great.
effects? fuller than ever before. it might be the M5 but this M1,4ADD isnt causing dbol bloat like i expected, at least not yet. i'll get on a scale today for the first time in 5 days. muscles are harder; i just feel big and jacked. very pleased.
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