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2nd Cycle Advice

Cuffs

Cuffs

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Okay, I know this dude who is getting things in line for his second cycle. He's not going to start until June-July, but wants to have everything on-hand next week (don't question why in a week, there is a reasonable answer he chooses not to share at this time). His first cycle is just a basic Test E/dbol/winny that was laid out in a previous thread. He begins that cycle at the end of the week. Now, he's looking into more of a cutter/strength cycle for his second. He's not one for ed injects quite yet. Twice a week, or eod would be fine.

He's looking at running one or the other of the following:

Choice #1:
Weeks 1-10 Test E 600mgs ew
Weeks 1-10 Tren E 400-500mgs ew
Weeks 6-12 Winny 50mgs ed.

Choice #2:
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 150mg's eod
Weeks 1-8 Tren Ace 75mg's eod
Weeks 2-8 Winny 50mg's ed

If he decides on cycle #2, do the doses look alright? The time of this cycle will of course be summer. He's wanting to keep much of the bloat off, so diet will be in check, and A-dex ran. Or, would running enen's be a better choice since this is his second cycle?

Any educated advice is welcome.
 
Cuffs said:
He's not one for ed injects quite yet. Twice a week, or eod would be fine. He's looking at running one or the other of the following:
Choice #1:
Weeks 1-10 Test E 600mgs ew
Weeks 1-10 Tren E 400-500mgs ew
Weeks 6-12 Winny 50mgs ed.

Choice #2:
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 150mg's eod
Weeks 1-8 Tren Ace 75mg's eod
Weeks 2-8 Winny 50mg's ed
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Both cycles look fine. However, since the individual has never used tren, then I would be inclined to use tren acetate over tren enanthate. This would enable the individual to remove the tren quickly if he does not like the tren. Therefore, I would select cycle #2. The test prop dosage is fine. It should yield good results at that level. If one could afford it, oxandrolone over winstrol would be ideal. Oxandrolone has some fat burning and appetite suppresses abilities. However, this is often too expensive and/or difficult to obtain.

Like always though, cutting will be determined by diet more than anything else. Using an AI during the cycle will definitely keep water retention away. Since this is aimed for summer, one could even add a natural diuretic like dandelion root to help reach a dry look.
 
What about adding in some EQ to the mix, or using it instead of tren? Would this be beneficial, or overkill?
 
Cuffs said:
What about adding in some EQ to the mix, or using it instead of tren? Would this be beneficial, or overkill?
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Adding EQ is certainly an option. However, do not use bold prop; something about the chemical structure seems to create intense pain from injections. Tren is an amazing compound however not every one responds great to it. Tren was probably the worst thing I ever used and will never uae it again. This is the primary reason why I would refrain from using tren enanthate.
 
if you get bold prop mixed with something else like in a blend, it doesn't hurt. i used a testprop/boldprop/trenace blend and there was no pain after the first couple injections, and i was injecting ed.
 
I think he's opting for cycle #2. Mainly to make sure how he reacts to the tren. He can get anavar, but it is a little costly. From what I've read, 40mg's ed would be the dose to take.
 
if you don't have any adverse reactions, tren is the way to go IMO. especially if it's for a cutter.
 
i would say cycle 1 mainly because i hate injections, BUT i completely agree about not using tren enan for a first tren cycle just in case your buddy doesn't react well to it

so i guess cycle 2 it is
 
Cuffs said:
What about adding in some EQ to the mix, or using it instead of tren? Would this be beneficial, or overkill?
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Replacing tren with eq is like switching your mclaren for a pinto right before the race.
 
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