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  1.  01-27-2005  10:48 PM
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    Originally Posted by big_D
    milkthistle takes up to 30 days before it becomes efective to the liver and if you cycle anything it should be taken year round !
    That applies to all herbals just about. Hawthorne takes up to 2 months to have an effect on blood pressure. I may have stated that before, but it is a waste the way I see people cycle it with M1T.



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    Funkmaster...you were a track runner?...what avents did you run, and what are some good supp's for a 800 meter runner to take?

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    lozgod your avatar is wearing out my mouse's scroll button

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    What do you think the best product brands are for liver protection?

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    Originally Posted by Homerjay
    lozgod your avatar is wearing out my mouse's scroll button
    LMAO I couldn't agree more.... I always look for that Avatar on AR also.

    I get really confused about Milk Thistle/Hawthorne Berry. Are we saying here that if I am going to do a cycle of M1t, I should start the HBE 2 months prior as well as the Mlik Thistle? I'm not doubting anything here, I'm just confused b/c I've seen so many different answers.

  6.  04-06-2005  11:08 AM
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    Himalaya liv 52 for the liver. I have heard it's the best thing out there.

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    Originally Posted by nestle1
    Himalaya liv 52 for the liver. I have heard it's the best thing out there.
    Should i take Milk thistle on a cycle of Ergomax?

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    Originally Posted by Erfan.
    Should i take Milk thistle on a cycle of Ergomax?
    Most people are under the idea that it would hinder gains. The reasoning is that anything that improves liver function will cause the product to be deactivated/excreted more rapidly. From what I've seen this doesn't appear to be the case and I feel it's better to err on the side of caution and thusly use some liver protectant while on. It won't significantly hinder any gains so I would run it at 1g/day.

  9.  07-04-2005  07:22 AM
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    Originally Posted by ersatz
    Most people are under the idea that it would hinder gains. The reasoning is that anything that improves liver function will cause the product to be deactivated/excreted more rapidly. From what I've seen this doesn't appear to be the case and I feel it's better to err on the side of caution and thusly use some liver protectant while on. It won't significantly hinder any gains so I would run it at 1g/day.
    We dont really have a clear answer. I think that the matter is more complex and milk thristle is on the accusation chair.
    This is from an interview to Poliquin by W. Lewellyn (very interesting read btw):

    WL:
    Can you explain what you mean by a detox protocol?
    CP: They use a program to get rid of the metabolites. So like calciumd-glucurate.They’ll use what they basically call “pushers�,which are large injections of detoxing compounds,and they use mainly botanical liver detoxifiers that don’t mess up the androgen sites like milk thistle, which will actually decrease steroid absorption.
    WL:
    I also know that milk thistle has an anti-inflammatory effect, inhibiting the conversion of arachidonic acid to active prostiglandins. This also would be a negative for muscle growth.
    CP: Yeah, milk thistle is not popular. Guys definitely stick with other botanicals.They also use botanicals to increase free testosterone during the detox or clean-up phase.


  10.  07-07-2005  04:26 PM
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    Originally Posted by Syr
    But not Milk Thristle when i'm on a methyl cycle.
    SD isn't methylated is it ?

  11.  07-09-2005  06:54 AM
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    Originally Posted by bawbag
    SD isn't methylated is it ?
    Of course it is. Its a di-methyl.

  12.  07-17-2005  06:14 AM
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    so what is the best stuff to take for both liver and blood pressure while on and off cycle without having to wait two months for it to work.

  13.  07-17-2005  06:26 AM
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    Originally Posted by jonesboy
    so what is the best stuff to take for both liver and blood pressure while on and off cycle without having to wait two months for it to work.
    You have to start taking damage-control supps BEFORE your cycle, period. Herbs do NOT kick in as fast as steroids.
    Only drugs do and u know that drugs always comes with side effects.

    If you are subject to high pressure, take hawtorn berry all year round. If you plan to do 2-4 methylated cycles a year, take liv.52 all year round
    etc. Same would apply for cholesterol, but I havend devised a protocol for it, i'm orienting towards policosanol and allicin.
    That's my advice.

  14.  07-17-2005  06:44 AM
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    I have to admit I bought Milk Thistle thinking it would work quick. I've read that policosanol takes awhile also. Getting ready to take fenugreek but I have heard its only effective really for about a month?? What's your take on Flax/Fish for cholesterol.. I bought the Flax from walmart 4650mg per.

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    http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...0&PID=324&np=1

    would just this be enough while on a cycle of ergomax lmg?

    or should i take something along with it, besides milk thistle, as people are in a rut about whether it hinders gains or not ill just steer clear and use something else for the time being

    along with 20mg of POLICOSANOL a day that is

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    anyone use the Synthetek liver protection product?


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  17.  08-12-2005  06:31 PM
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    Well, I take Proliver two weeks before the cycle, and during the cycle and during PCT.

    { Precycle+Cycle+PCT= a happy liver }

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    Pro liver everyday of my life, I just increase dose before and after cycle.

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    I never understood why people run polls on things like this. Not everyone is well educated on these matters and some people's vote should not be taken in consideration and a poll like this may give people the wrong idea.

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    Originally Posted by Syr

    I'm glad to know that there is someone else who takes MORE supplements than me
    No joke. my ex thought I was a nutbag for everything I take throughout the day.
    But then again....she always wondered why I've only been sick twice since '98.

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