Poll: When do you use liver support supplements?

Liver Protection Poll

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  1. Himalaya liv 52 for the liver. I have heard it's the best thing out there.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by nestle1
    Himalaya liv 52 for the liver. I have heard it's the best thing out there.
    Should i take Milk thistle on a cycle of Ergomax?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Erfan.
    Should i take Milk thistle on a cycle of Ergomax?
    Most people are under the idea that it would hinder gains. The reasoning is that anything that improves liver function will cause the product to be deactivated/excreted more rapidly. From what I've seen this doesn't appear to be the case and I feel it's better to err on the side of caution and thusly use some liver protectant while on. It won't significantly hinder any gains so I would run it at 1g/day.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz
    Most people are under the idea that it would hinder gains. The reasoning is that anything that improves liver function will cause the product to be deactivated/excreted more rapidly. From what I've seen this doesn't appear to be the case and I feel it's better to err on the side of caution and thusly use some liver protectant while on. It won't significantly hinder any gains so I would run it at 1g/day.
    We dont really have a clear answer. I think that the matter is more complex and milk thristle is on the accusation chair.
    This is from an interview to Poliquin by W. Lewellyn (very interesting read btw):

    WL:
    Can you explain what you mean by a detox protocol?
    CP: They use a program to get rid of the metabolites. So like calciumd-glucurate.They’ll use what they basically call “pushers?,which are large injections of detoxing compounds,and they use mainly botanical liver detoxifiers that don’t mess up the androgen sites like milk thistle, which will actually decrease steroid absorption.
    WL:
    I also know that milk thistle has an anti-inflammatory effect, inhibiting the conversion of arachidonic acid to active prostiglandins. This also would be a negative for muscle growth.
    CP: Yeah, milk thistle is not popular. Guys definitely stick with other botanicals.They also use botanicals to increase free testosterone during the detox or clean-up phase.


  5. Quote Originally Posted by Syr
    But not Milk Thristle when i'm on a methyl cycle.
    SD isn't methylated is it ?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bawbag
    SD isn't methylated is it ?
    Of course it is. Its a di-methyl.

  7. so what is the best stuff to take for both liver and blood pressure while on and off cycle without having to wait two months for it to work.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jonesboy
    so what is the best stuff to take for both liver and blood pressure while on and off cycle without having to wait two months for it to work.
    You have to start taking damage-control supps BEFORE your cycle, period. Herbs do NOT kick in as fast as steroids.
    Only drugs do and u know that drugs always comes with side effects.

    If you are subject to high pressure, take hawtorn berry all year round. If you plan to do 2-4 methylated cycles a year, take liv.52 all year round
    etc. Same would apply for cholesterol, but I havend devised a protocol for it, i'm orienting towards policosanol and allicin.
    That's my advice.

  9. I have to admit I bought Milk Thistle thinking it would work quick. I've read that policosanol takes awhile also. Getting ready to take fenugreek but I have heard its only effective really for about a month?? What's your take on Flax/Fish for cholesterol.. I bought the Flax from walmart 4650mg per.

  10. http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.as...0&P****324&np=1

    would just this be enough while on a cycle of ergomax lmg?

    or should i take something along with it, besides milk thistle, as people are in a rut about whether it hinders gains or not ill just steer clear and use something else for the time being

    along with 20mg of POLICOSANOL a day that is

  11. anyone use the Synthetek liver protection product?


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  12. Well, I take Proliver two weeks before the cycle, and during the cycle and during PCT.

    { Precycle+Cycle+PCT= a happy liver }

  13. Pro liver everyday of my life, I just increase dose before and after cycle.

  14. I never understood why people run polls on things like this. Not everyone is well educated on these matters and some people's vote should not be taken in consideration and a poll like this may give people the wrong idea.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Syr

    I'm glad to know that there is someone else who takes MORE supplements than me
    No joke. my ex thought I was a nutbag for everything I take throughout the day.
    But then again....she always wondered why I've only been sick twice since '98.

  16. id have to say before during and after.

  17. personally, i take a multi, omega 3's, dandallion, and milk thistle. sometimes i add in garlic for cholesterol.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Taltos
    am I the only one who noticed that this dude is on lithium?

  19. Throughout the whole cycle? It isn't even expensive... Why not do it through the entire cycle?

  20. Lately Ive been using Liv 52 while taking any methyl's and continue it after the cylce till whenever I run out, and I save the milk thistle for between methyl cycles so as not to interfere with absorption. My last liver panel came up perfect, but I was hittin the A bombs for a good 6 or 7 weeks there after that blood test. (been off the drol for about 3 weeks now and continuing liv 52, will probably wait till test/deca cycle finish before startin milk thistle, (might want to use another oral for last couple weeks of test and deca, but havent made up my mind yet.)

  21. I use milk thistle everyday.
    BTW nice avatar LOZGOD

  22. IMO during and after, actually i take liver supps year rd, then again i drink every weekend off cycle( iknow iknow im a alky).

  23. Excellent question. I wish I could give you some rep.!

  24. Every day I take LIV-52, Milk Thistle, Omega 3 caps (flax and fish oil mix), Red Rice Yeast, and a Multi.

  25. 600mg Milk Thistle Extract
    600mg+ N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine (NAC)
    1 Multi-Vitmatin
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