Recommendations for an oral Anabolic? First cycle

[drg7001]

I've been lifting for about 2 years now and I'm interested in stepping it up a notch. I'm age 30, 205 lbs w/ about 15 pct BF or so. I have been lurking this site for a few weeks now and I'm just not sure what a good cycle would be.

I guess my goal is to gain some lean muscle and lose a bit of Body Fat in the process.

I'd like to try a PH, although I'm not real keen on the idea of injection. I read a few threads about Epi and I am just curious if it would be a good supplement cycle to start with.

The only supplements I have taken in the past are fish oils, multis, creatine Mono, and a stack of endosurge w/ erase pro.

 

[Aussteve]

The best advice I can give mate is to scour the net and do more research so you can make an educated decision on what to run. I didn't ask what to run for my first time, I LEARNT for myself what to run!

Make sense? Not dismissing ya or anything like that mate but knowledge is the key!!!

 

[Kilo G]

I've been lifting for about 2 years now and I'm interested in stepping it up a notch. I'm age 30, 205 lbs w/ about 15 pct BF or so. I have been lurking this site for a few weeks now and I'm just not sure what a good cycle would be.

I guess my goal is to gain some lean muscle and lose a bit of Body Fat in the process.

I'd like to try a PH, although I'm not real keen on the idea of injection. I read a few threads about Epi and I am just curious if it would be a good supplement cycle to start with.

The only supplements I have taken in the past are fish oils, multis, creatine Mono, and a stack of endosurge w/ erase pro.

Anavar, anavar, anavar, anavar.... My experience is if you don't want ****ed up side effects like hair loss, acne, and depression/aggression don't **** around with anything but Anavar aka Oxandrolone. Safest thing on the anabolic steroid market.

 

[justo]

I've been lifting for about 2 years now and I'm interested in stepping it up a notch. I'm age 30, 205 lbs w/ about 15 pct BF or so. I have been lurking this site for a few weeks now and I'm just not sure what a good cycle would be.

I guess my goal is to gain some lean muscle and lose a bit of Body Fat in the process.

I'd like to try a PH, although I'm not real keen on the idea of injection. I read a few threads about Epi and I am just curious if it would be a good supplement cycle to start with.

The only supplements I have taken in the past are fish oils, multis, creatine Mono, and a stack of endosurge w/ erase pro.

IMO oral only cycles are pointless dude your best to run some test e only and have a proper baseline for future cycles. Anavar is a good oral which doesn't convert to estrogen but it still shuts down your natural hpta harddd! If you want I can show you a study done on anavar where in just 5 days of use natty test was more or less gone!

 

[Aussteve]

IMO oral only cycles are pointless dude your best to run some test e only and have a proper baseline for future cycles. Anavar is a good oral which doesn't convert to estrogen but it still shuts down your natural hpta harddd! If you want I can show you a study done on anavar where in just 5 days of use natty test was more or less gone!

Oral only cycles arent ponitless if done properly! Got 22 lbs from 5 weeks EPI + 4 weeks MSTEN run together, kept 20 lbs. I agree with ya that test e as a baseline is a great cycle but don't reckon op wants to pin straight up!
Never start any cycle before you get ALL of your support supps AND pct soughted first! The way I go is to periodically buy all supports + pct and have a cupboard full of them then get the Anabolics soughted!

Mmmmm test e mmmmm

 

[justo]

Oral only cycles arent ponitless if done properly! Got 22 lbs from 5 weeks EPI + 4 weeks MSTEN run together, kept 20 lbs. I agree with ya that test e as a baseline is a great cycle but don't reckon op wants to pin straight up!
Never start any cycle before you get ALL of your support supps AND pct soughted first! The way I go is to periodically buy all supports + pct and have a cupboard full of them then get the Anabolics soughted!

Mmmmm test e mmmmm

Fair comment aussteve well done with your gains what did you do for a pct bro?

 

[Aussteve]

Fair comment aussteve well done with your gains what did you do for a pct bro?

Nolva 40/30/20/10
Erase 0/1/2/3/2/1
DAA 3 gm Ed
ISA TEST 4 caps Ed

Reduced training frequency but kept intensity up and kep cal intake same. No cardio.

 

[Aussteve]

.............. Ran cycle like this
Epi 20/20/30/40/40
Msten 0/8/12/16/20

Supports
Saw palmetto
Liv 52
Aegis
Celery caps
Hawthorn
Garlic caps
Fish oil ( 12 gm Ed )
Vitc
Coq10
Glucosamine
Zinc
Magnesium
High doses of everything and I always buy them separate so I can adjust as needed

 

[justo]

.............. Ran cycle like this
Epi 20/20/30/40/40
Msten 0/8/12/16/20

Supports
Saw palmetto
Aegis
Celery caps
Hawthorn
Garlic caps
Fish oil ( 12 gm Ed )
Vitc
Coq10
Glucosamine
Zinc
Magnesium
High doses of everything and I always buy them separate so I can adjust as needed

I still think it's pointless running oral only especially of its dbol or something with high androgenic effects. You just bloat up with mostly water and shut down your natty test yea you get stronger but it all goes after cycle. If you want to do AAS I would say go for test e it's 2 shots a week! Man uppp lol

 

[Aussteve]

I still think it's pointless running oral only especially of its dbol or something with high androgenic effects. You just bloat up with mostly water and shut down your natty test yea you get stronger but it all goes after cycle. If you want to do AAS I would say go for test e it's 2 shots a week! Man uppp

Yeah I know, gotta start somewhere though eh !? I ran 2 oral cycles before I took the plunge! Every cycle you learn something about yourself and what works for ya! That epi/msten run it felt like I didnt even get shutdown from it eh! Or if I did I bounced back real quick! Balls stayed nice and plump all way through!

 

[justo]

The place to start should really be test as a baseline then as you get into your 3rd and 4th cycle then throw in another compound and see how your body reacts to that

 

[Aussteve]

The place to start should really be test as a baseline then as you get into your 3rd and 4th cycle then throw in another compound and see how your body reacts to that

My next run in august-
Test e 600 wk ( 300 mon, thur) 12 wks
Sd 20 wk 1-4
Epi 40 wk 8-12
Hcg throughout

 

[justo]

My next run in august-
Test e 600 wk ( 300 mon, thur) 12 wks
Sd 20 wk 1-4
Epi 40 wk 8-12
Hcg throughout

Try this bro.

Test e 500 a week 250 mon 250 thurs
Hcg 500iu a week in 2 shots all the way through
Arimidex 0.25 eod adjust accordingly
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Tbh the difference between 500 and 600mg is kinda pointless

 

[Aussteve]

Sounds good eh ! Got everything g2g so just gotta wait out until august! Was originally doing 500 a wk, someone said do the 600 and I thought it was pointless! Def gonna give it a kick in the pants with the sd though, ****s awsome, got some liquid stuff that for some reason seams easier on the sides than pills!?!? Was always gonna run nolva/Clomid pc though!

 

[justo]

Sounds good eh ! Got everything g2g so just gotta wait out until august! Was originally doing 500 a wk, someone said do the 600 and I thought it was pointless! Def gonna give it a kick in the pants with the sd though, ****s awsome, got some liquid stuff that for some reason seams easier on the sides than pills!?!? Was always gonna run nolva/Clomid pc though!

Have you ran test before?

 

[Aussteve]

Have you ran test before?

Yeah but only at 300 a wk for 8 wks! Was nice! Only did nolva/dex pc. Worked ok but deff adding Clomid this time! Ya think the sd would be too much? Maybe only 3 wks? What about epi at the end to dry it out, although if I run dex all way through won't need it eh!
Don't wanna put the curse on myself but I don't think I'm prone to gyno!

 

[justo]

Yeah but only at 300 a wk for 8 wks! Was nice! Only did nolva/dex pc. Worked ok but deff adding Clomid this time! Ya think the sd would be too much? Maybe only 3 wks? What about epi at the end to dry it out, although if I run dex all way through won't need it eh!
Don't wanna put the curse on myself but I don't think I'm prone to gyno!

It could just happen bro if I was you I'd run that cycle I laid out that's a very good cycle to see how the test e reacts with your body and the ai is 100% needed. There's no point waiting for he gyno to start u may aswell just stop it in it's tracks. Last thing u want is the problem of some gyno. You will still get good gains on the test e bro. Run it for 10-12 weeks will work a dime trust me

 

[Aussteve]

It could just happen bro if I was you I'd run that cycle I laid out that's a very good cycle to see how the test e reacts with your body and the ai is 100% needed. There's no point waiting for he gyno to start u may aswell just stop it in it's tracks. Last thing u want is the problem of some gyno. You will still get good gains on the test e bro. Run it for 10-12 weeks will work a dime trust me

Cheers for the advice mate appreciate it!! Chat again soon

 

[justo]

Cheers for the advice mate appreciate it!! Chat again soon

Any time bro! Talk soon

 

[drg7001]

Thank you guys for all the replies and good info! I'm at work atm, but when I get some more time I'll look this thread over a bit more thoroughly and try to figure out what I should do. I'm still really leery on the idea of injecting myself though, haha.