Gyno or just chest fat? (pics)
- 05-27-2013, 11:49 PM
- 05-27-2013, 11:54 PM
- 05-27-2013, 11:58 PM
05-28-2013, 12:00 AM
05-28-2013, 12:18 AM
Look into raloxifene and letro. Ralox is like nolva but stronger when it comes to blocking e in the breast. Dose it high for 8 weeks with letro. I have uses this combo before and it reduced the lumps I had almost nothing. Start sooner the better.
05-28-2013, 12:22 AM
How hard are the lumps supposed to be? It feels more like soft tissue?
I will buy the AI.
Any instances of this "swelling" going away in PCT?
05-28-2013, 12:47 AM
05-28-2013, 01:10 AM
So can I run the raloxifene, letro, and clomid all together in PCT?
Seems like a lot of sh*t to be on, just want to be safe, and have the best possible shot at reducing the swelling.
05-28-2013, 09:50 PM
LOL - Letro is some harsh **** I don't think I'd classify anything as a "PCT" while taking Letro.
Say goodbye to whatever gains you made on cycle if you do it that way.
I'd do the PCT and then go with the Letro. Bro - your tits look fine to me (no homo!).
05-29-2013, 10:37 PM
Okay past couple days I've been freaking out. Still waiting on my letrozole, so I'm finishing up an old bottle of nolva and double-dosing some topical formestane.
I can already see a difference, and one thing's for certain; my joints felt like absolute hell and todays workout was PAINFUL.
I really really don't want to run letrozol unless I absolutely have to, so for now my plan is to finish the nolva I have and continue with formestane for another week and then assess from there.
One thing with formestane is that it's techinally a PH and is suppressive, so I guess in some small way I'm still "on", haha.
PCT will be based around clomid, and will probably throw in the raloxefine as well.
I'm hoping this was just water retention/tissue stimulation and NOT breast tissue formation.
05-29-2013, 10:49 PM
idk looks kinda like water to me. did you take those pictures after eating? or right after waking up and taking a morning piss while its still cold?
05-29-2013, 10:54 PM
Honestly doesn't look like gyno to me.
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05-29-2013, 11:00 PM
05-29-2013, 11:30 PM
What did you run? Yes small percentage of gyno. I would take the Ralo and or letro. Should be easy to contain, it wasn't a wow factor when I saw your pics.
good luck brother
05-29-2013, 11:36 PM
05-30-2013, 01:10 AM
Feel for a sensitive and hard fibrous nodule behind the nip.
Also, squeeze it and hope no clear juices come out.
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05-30-2013, 07:15 PM
05-30-2013, 07:31 PM
Jumping on letro to "crush"estrogen to the point that gyno can not survive. The problem is estrogen plays an important role in so many things the idea of simply "totally crushing"it is far from a prudent one. This is where serms come in. Serms bind to the estrogen receptor in breast tissue, making it impossible for estrogen to bind and illicit its effects on those receptors. If we are getting gyno, even if using an ai, our estrogen levels are too high. They need to be managed, however with gyno at the door a serm will stop it in its tracks. I think gyno treatment should be 2 fold , treatment and then management. The treatment and management should occur at the same time using a serm and an AI. The SERM will IMMEDIATELY begin to prevent and treat gyno. The ai will manage estrogen levels lowering them to a proper level where serm therapy may be stopped. There is a lot of talk about tamoxifen and its effects on pogesterone or how it lowers blood levels of arimidex and letrozole. All that aside (i personally think its over hyped), one can use the serm Raloxifene which puts these fears to rest. Gyno symptom? Lump etc. Start 60mg ralox/day and up ai dose as current dose was not adequately managing estrogen. When lump goes away cease serm use and continue on with elevated ai doages till end of cycle up to pct.
05-30-2013, 09:34 PM
Dude i am so gyno prone. When i first started working out i took sostonol 250 from ids i think? Got me huge. Didnt know anything just took it (big mistake). Now i have a small hard lump in my left nipple.
Point is now i am super super gyno prone. Running a cycle now of tren 200mgs a week and test p 200 mgs a week. Even with an ai still got a gyno flare up. If your gyno is fresh take letro. Its magic. I am on it now to reverse it and have done so in the past on test only cycles. The taper i use is:
Day 1: .25mg
6: 2.5 and i stay at this dosage till it subsides.
When it does taper off in same way and continue ai at higher dosage. Hope that helps. Research estro rebound.
05-30-2013, 10:04 PM
I actually think it's subsiding right now on nolva and formestane. Like I said I will give it another week while T levels dwindle and PCT must begin.
Picking up my letro and ralox from the PO tomorrow.
05-30-2013, 10:53 PM
05-31-2013, 03:46 AM
05-31-2013, 06:35 AM
05-31-2013, 08:17 AM
You will recover from it with a proper pct. you dknt want that gyno lump to become permanent. Trust me. Ive recovered plenty of times
05-31-2013, 09:50 AM
I think if u just do a good pct you will recover and they'll settle in hopefully. U said u just came off test.. So of course you will b puffy. Don't worry about it all day just b optimistic. They don't look bad
05-31-2013, 10:17 AM
I would wait until after pct to start destroying the Estro because like others have said, this almost definitely go away with pct. if you still have the small hard things after pct though I would smash the hell outta it with Letro ASAP. I had a small hard ass lump hit my right nip outta no where and Letro made is disappear. In my opinion the taper protocol is good. Just kinda go by feel because trying to get the most outta the least amount of substance is always best. Yours doesn't look too bad at all for just comin off bro. I think you'll be just fine. Good luck!
05-31-2013, 03:43 PM
Dude, I would jump on at least letro + nolva (possibly prami, or caber if you have access to legit stuff) asap and run it for a couple of months unless you have easy access to money and know a good surgeon. In my experience with things not quite so visible, it does not just go away with PCT.
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