first cycle help.
- 01-01-2005, 05:02 AM
first cycle help.
Ok need some help' please
this is my first cycle-minus testing things for a day or 2
so I want to do m1t- growth*
m-dien(of mohn)counter lethargy
and m5aa(mdht 2nd week)-dryer gain's and focus
I dont like the idea of topicals/transdermals and **** pinning prohormones-
*I would stop if problems occured.
on cycle- creatine - whey -**** loads of food
I have clomid, nolva, trib, clen, ephe for pct
all ph's are designer supp's.
Just wanted to know how much extra food can I eat?
like elevated protein synthesis' nutrient partioning?
im already at 190 or 200 fat' yeah- so 4000 cals daily(easy)@1.5 gms of pro.
Training with weights for 3 n a bit years or 2 years consistently- I'd say intermediate.
training style- sprints 4 laps a day- or more for cardio
8 rep max w/ 4 sets and 1 max out set.
or 3 rep max at least 1/4 of the workouts.
sticking to bench/presses/squats/rows minimal curls/raises- but they help and I like the pain(burn)
Im hoping to expect: greater recouperation and hence better preformance-I dont expect to gain 20 pounds of muscle in 2 weeks and fingers crossed no gyno.
if theres any new ideas on training or dhet from prohormone veteran's please drop a line- Id be happy to see it.
Pct training? as much as possible?
Thanx in advance- Jin
- 01-01-2005, 06:35 AM
01-01-2005, 01:10 PM
how long is the cycle for?
m-dien isn't good for countering lethargy, try trans 4AD for less liver stress.
what are the dosages?
i did a similar cycle about a year ago with the following dosages:
M1t And 4ad/ M5aa
M1T 20mgs ed
Trans 4AD 400-500mgs ed (generally split up to twice a day)
Trans 4AD 400-500mg ed
M5AA 20mgs ed
Nolva and 6oxo
just some ideas.
01-01-2005, 01:32 PM
01-01-2005, 01:52 PM
I agree with Pirate. I am on m1t now and when I started the m1t in the third week the lethargy is INSANE even with some 4-ad. I am only taking about 250mg of 4-ad/daily while on the m1t but 400 should do you fine. The topicals are a pain but well worth it when it comes down to it. Plus I believe the estro/proges. help with the lubrication of your joints which m1t seems to ache so well in me.
01-01-2005, 02:41 PM
Thanks for the log Beezlebub-
Im not liking the loss of any weight gain even with improved preformance-
maybe Ill wait longer- no point rushing/wasting product at the cost at the lil fella's expense.
has anyone got a log of a mdht/m5aa only cycle?
if not- Id be happy to start one if Im given a protocal to fallow.
Thanks again bro's
01-01-2005, 03:06 PM
m1t and mdth I wouldnt stack together....The sides would be too harsh in my opinion
My opinion on a great stack, I would get rid of the toxic m1t first
01-01-2005, 03:48 PM
yeah, i've been using phs for a while now and I still don't believe its time for me to do a m1t cycle yet, not to say I wont have it for future use.
I'd go with a basic
1-t, mohn stack, you can get mohn for dirt cheap it your gains will be dry. PM me and i'll give you the address for the cheapest 1-t estergels available.(since you don't want to use transdermals.) You could also throw some 4ad in there for more of a bulk cycle. Seriously though man, save the m1t for future use.
01-01-2005, 03:49 PM
btw mdht and m5aa would be a really ****ty cycle. first off never stack two methyls and there both for preworkout focus.
01-04-2005, 02:53 AM
Tim' Ive had the shake it aint good man! it aint good.
about the p.h's- I want to do m5aa for 2 weeks then mdht for two weeks after that.
Do you think the ethergels would work? I'd rather have something more potent/proven like methyl 1-test.
also you know how steroids have nutrient partioning effects(some of em) does m1t minus the bloat have any impact in this regard?
also m1 4add Ive got this- omega's version- would this be better then m1t? for a first cycle.
and if anyone would be kind enough to help with dosage amounts'
im 190 lbs 15% bodyfat
I'd like to start small and work up- or should I jujst blaze into a h/c dose straight off the bat?
Thanks again' everyone
01-04-2005, 03:06 AM
bro, stacking 2 methyl's is bad, 3 is awful, 4 is ****ing ludicrous. this isn't a flame but you really need to rethink this cycle. simple is better man. you might not care of transdermals or pinning but if you're trying to do this smart and safe, they're your only other options. JMO.
01-04-2005, 03:26 AM
Hello Beezlebub happy new years' man
I wasnt on doing 4 methyl's at once, Thats was more of a list of what I could use-you see what I mean?
I.e 10 mg m1t alone
or 5mg m1t and 40mg of m4ohn
60mg mdht and 10mg mdien and 4ad
because I have some 1ad(1 test alternative?)
I also have mdien but thats more of a tappering/kick starter p.h right?
01-04-2005, 11:16 AM
I would run 1ad, 4ad and either mdht or m4ohn. Orally you will need around a gram ed of 4ad but you can get it cheap right now at nutraplanet (65 cents a gram). I would run mdht over m4ohn, but I didn't like m4ohn. The 1ad/4ad stack is a very common first cycle. Not counting the health reasons but there is really no reason to stack mdht, m5aa, or m4ohn in my opinion. If you change your mind about the trans run a 1-test/4ad/mdht stack I am liking it allot, tons of size and strength.
01-04-2005, 11:50 AM
Using M1t for a 1st cycle is absolutely stupid. If you don't even know how your body will respond to any androgen, you don't want to start with arguably the most toxic one available. Stacking methyls is also stupid. Using m-dien to counter lethargy? 4ad will do that just fine.
You really need to re-think this. Just by reading your cycle ideas, it's clear you need to do more research or get better cycle advice. My best advice is to start with a 1-test or 1ad/4ad stack like most others. You don't need to kill your liver to get great gains on a 1st cycle.
01-04-2005, 12:22 PM
cool deal, my mistake. in any case, a first cycle of PH's should be simple and generally non-methylated. longdog suggested something good, a 1AD/4AD cycle. i'd say a dose of 500mg of 1AD ed and 800-1000mg of 4AD ed would be a great cycle and give you what you're looking for without all the sides.Originally Posted by jinkillkill
01-04-2005, 12:24 PM
this doesnt seem to have been made clear to jinkillkill:
M5 is very similar to MDHT. in fact they both convert to DHT, the latter at a higher rate and a longer half-life. hardening effects come easy on MDHT - with M5 you have to dose 5+ times a day due to the 90-minute window of effectivity. however M5 is ideal for preworkout stimulation because it kicks in quickly and powerfully.
also, my $.02 on a first cycle:
you gotta have a base. 1-test is the "bread" of PH cycles, so go 1-T or 1-ad. both can be rather side-laden (although not of the serious sort in most cases) so adding 4-ad helps abate those while adding some gains due to its conversion to test (and subsequent aromatization) it will bloat you to some degree, but that comes off post-cycle. in theory it could cause gyno, but i've never heard of that actually happening.
with this in mind, you have alot of options for a bulking cycle depending on your goals:
all-out bulker / weight gainer: add M1,4ADD @ 100-150mg ED
lean(er) bulker: add MOHN
standard bulk w/ hardening: add MDHT @ ~50mg ED to last 2 weeks of cycle
jumpstarter: add M1T for the 1st 2 weeks (preload 4-ad a week)
there are other variations but these are the ones that are done most commonly. really you can add M5 to any of the above cycles because it is rather mild and only sticks around a short time.
01-04-2005, 03:34 PM
Thanks alot, everyone
Yeah' Ive got alot more to read about.
Im going to get some 4ad from nutra- its a good price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Transdermal for optimum efficency, right.
I know methyl-jacked, m5aa, mdht are all very similar, Thats why i wanted to do some for 2 weeks then the other for the two weeks, gauge which one works best for me and how it effects my training.
1-test is the bread- sounds right and 4ad is to counter sides and as a mass builder.
Ill stack a methyl with each cycle and see how it goes i.e run a stack with mdien for 2/4weeks then on the next cycle mohn for 2/4 weeks.
Ill just vaccum and freeze m1t or sell it again(last time sold it to a friend and gauged his results-which were good but not great).
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