LukeP123
“dbol, bc thats not the look I want”
Not sure what look that is. But I think your assuming that some AAS cause uncontrollable bloating. Guys can cut on Test and Dbol if they manage water and estrogen. I know, because I’ve done it and will probably do it again. Guys can also bulk on Tren and Var. Diet, training and water/est management dictate these things, not the AAS.
“Anyway to distinguish the two??”
If you haven’t used either before it could be hard for you to tell the difference between 20 mg of Dbol vs 50 mg of Tbol, or even Winny. Some guys don’t feel anything (except noticeable strength) at low to moderate doses. I’ve personally bloated on Var and Tbol because I assumed that I didn’t need an AI and later realized that I did. I’ve also leaned out on Dbol. Goes back to diet and training.
“Would an hdrol cycle be better since you know the compound your getting?”
Hdrol may be better for you. I haven’t used it so I defer to those with more experience regarding those products. But yes, it is important to know the compound. I personally have never been satisfied with prohormones/designer steroids (although I’ve never tried SD).
“So which gains are more maintainable? I heard from someone on hdrol you gain 15 an keep 5..which turned me off. I was guna do 50 mg of tbol for 5-6 weeks, but wpuld deff do hdrol 6 weeks prob 75 mg at my peak..would that be around the same gains i woulda seen from tbol?”
It’s these questions and statements that have prompted me to respond and remain in this thread. There is not an exact formula for performance and results with each of these drugs/products. And the fact that you’re asking what your gains will be and how much you will keep illustrates your misconceptions. This is like asking a salesman at a sporting good store how many home runs the bat will yield. All these drugs/products will do (primarily) is elevate hormones. They don’t add muscle, size, strength or weight. That again, is dictated by diet and training and management of these elevated hormones. Losing weight after the cycle means nothing if it was water. If you gain 20 lbs and then immediately lose 10 lbs of water it doesn’t mean the drug/product was crap. It just means you were bloated.
So which gains are maintainable? Solid muscle is somewhat maintainable with a solid off cycle program. Doesn’t matter what you used (ph, tbol, var, etc) to get your solid muscle. But most noobs don’t realize how hard it is to build actual solid muscle, not just water and blood volume during cycle.
This is a non-scientific bro-science saying that we used to use back in the day: “You don’t own it til you’ve kept it for a year”. Think about that for a minute. When a guy adds muscle after a cycle, he has to work twice as hard regarding diet and exercise to maintain those gains. If he slips up for a week or two, he’ll literally wonder what the hell happened because that temporary muscle is easy to lose. But just think of a guy that’s 210 lbs and has held that weight for over a year. He can go on vacation or whatever he wants for 2-3 weeks and he wont lose any muscle at all.
If all of these gains were easy to keep, then all of these guys who have gained 10+ lbs per cycle X 8+ cycles would be shredded 260+ lb monsters. And most of them aren’t.
“All i want to end up with is 10 lbs of muscle that i can keep”
Possible, but difficult. It’s only easy if your still gaining naturally and haven’t yet reached your genetic potential. If you have reached your genetic potential (hopefully you have if your considering AAS), then 10 clean pounds of muscle is awesome, but not exactly easy.
Dr.Str8ed
“Idk why your source would give u dbol instead of tbol though, unless they're just shady.”
Because they’re Drug Dealers. No, just kidding. Most sources have never had labs analyze their gear.
But some UGL’s don’t actually have access to all of the active ingredients that they’re selling. Some stuff can be hard to get ahold of. Winny is cheaper and easier to obtain than Var, so Winny is frequently subbed for Var. Dbol is cheaper and easier to obtain than Tbol, so it gets subbed too.
How many times has one guy gotten huge on 20 mg of Dbol and another guy swears that he needs 50 mg to get decent results. Sure, their bodies react differently, but the 2 black market brands are often not dosed the same.
Ask the old times about how the doses and compounds have changed. Also, many guys on TRT notice that their human grade test is sometimes 1.5 -2X more potent than the UGL test that they’d been cycling all these years.
