Thoughts on AAS/PH effects on gains. reps for good responces

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  1. Little Stampy went down that road


  2. here's another point of view/food for thought.

    think of ALL the bodybuilders you know that are natural, not guys that just CLAIM to be natural, but guys (maybe in your personal lives) that you KNOW to be natural. then compare that to all the bodybuilders you know to be juicing. the reason i say bodybuilders is because they all treat it as a lifestyle and they all take it equally as serious (in most cases). the difference is that truly natural dudes are competing at like 50 all the way up to nearly 100 pounds less than the steroid using guys of similar stature.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post
    I know what you are saying, but there is not the same conection between being high and writing music, and doing AAS and practicing a sport. AAS have a direct impact, 100% of cases, in athletes. Being high does not.
    For instance: If you take an average joe, and put him on AAS, he WILL have a better athletic performance, no matter the case. But, if you put, lets say ME, on acid or coke or marihuana, I will certainly not improve my music skills.
    The relation between geting high and making music is by far not as strong as the relation between AAS and athletics.

    PD: sorry for my possible grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.
    I have to agree on this. steroids are ergogenic enhancers, this is undisputed. when I was in highschool, I had dreams of trying to go semi pro with street skateboarding, started smoking weed, and boy did I get sucky at sk8ing fast, and eventually quitting.

  4. Haha instead of smoking a joint you should have done a good cycle..

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    here's another point of view/food for thought.

    think of ALL the bodybuilders you know that are natural, not guys that just CLAIM to be natural, but guys (maybe in your personal lives) that you KNOW to be natural. then compare that to all the bodybuilders you know to be juicing. the reason i say bodybuilders is because they all treat it as a lifestyle and they all take it equally as serious (in most cases). the difference is that truly natural dudes are competing at like 50 all the way up to nearly 100 pounds less than the steroid using guys of similar stature.
    I can agree. but the npc is untested, and there are big dudes, any ways, though my pops prob should be on hrt, he competed up until he was 55, and though the competition is slim in the senior master division, he still got first over others which im sure some where on hrt or juice.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post
    Haha instead of smoking a joint you should have done a good cycle..
    for sure.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    I can agree. but the npc is untested, and there are big dudes, any ways, though my pops prob should be on hrt, he competed up until he was 55, and though the competition is slim in the senior master division, he still got first over others which im sure some where on hrt or juice.
    oh yeah, i definitely agree with that. i just used the example of bodybuilders because i feel like whether natural or not, they all pretty much have the same work ethic, there just tends to be a big difference in average size and all that.

    i'm the type that thinks everyones using, though, haha. i mean, while i'll argue their effectiveness all day long, there have been TONS of guys i've seen talking about the cycle of superdrol they just took and stuff like that and they seriously look as though they've been working out for like 6 months total haha. my friends all say im delusional, but i've gotten to where i think everyone is using after hearing the douchebag kids that have only been working out for a month and wouldn't know what a real routine or diet was if it hit them in the face talking about, "yeah, i think i'm going to try winstrol, it sounds like the perfect steroid for me" in the middle of the gym like they think it makes them cool.

    but i guess that goes back to what you were saying.... you can't take steroids and expect awesome gains if you don't know what you're doing.... and while it's bad of me to say, as someone who has horrible genetics but puts in lots of work and dedication (but can't/shouldn't use steroids because of personal/family issues with blood pressure, cholesterol, etc despite wanting to use them), theres a bit of satisfaction i get in seeing kids that have damn near passed me up lose it all when they come off because they're too damn young and dumb to know what they're doing. they get all jacked up and big headed walking around looking at me like i don't know what i'm doing in the gym because i can't put on 40 lbs in 6 months like them..... and yes.... i would admit i'm bitter about it hahaha

  8. "Holier than thou" white knights aggravate me. You're really that concerned about a given athlete on PEDs? Let alone the average joe looking for an edge...shows how much you have going on in your life...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post
    I know what you are saying, but there is not the same conection between being high and writing music, and doing AAS and practicing a sport. AAS have a direct impact, 100% of cases, in athletes. Being high does not.
    For instance: If you take an average joe, and put him on AAS, he WILL have a better athletic performance, no matter the case. But, if you put, lets say ME, on acid or coke or marihuana, I will certainly not improve my music skills.
    The relation between geting high and making music is by far not as strong as the relation between AAS and athletics.

    PD: sorry for my possible grammar mistakes, english is not my first language.
    You are really ignoring my argument I suppose because you are just trying to be right. So I will try one last time to explain it, if athletes play sports for entertainment,.why do you care if they take a drug to enhance the entrainment value? (Please don't respond talking about musicians and drugs, as I said in my reply that wasn't the point i was trying to make)

    Another question. Isn't technology the same thing? If a tennis player could use aas and a racket from the 1970s or no aas and a modern racket, wouldn't they choose the no aas and the modern racket?

    Also, say lance Armstrong uses peds and wins the tour de France, but 2nd place thru 10th place also used peds was he still cheating?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post
    Little Stampy went down that road
    You really should stop doing this, one because I am actually quite bigger than you, and two its obvious from other posts in other threads that you like to put other people down, if your life is so pathetic you need to put other people down or judge other people to feel better about yourself you should really step away from the internet forums get a life and grow up.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by stamp_on_kids View Post
    You really should stop doing this, one because I am actually quite bigger than you, and two its obvious from other posts in other threads that you like to put other people down, if your life is so pathetic you need to put other people down or judge other people to feel better about yourself you should really step away from the internet forums get a life and grow up.
    Wtf??
    1) I donīt know what you are talking about me liking to diminish others.
    2) I say "little" not as in "you weigh 145lb". Donīt be that literal, dude..
    3) I do have a life. I am a lawyer, I work, have a gf, go out, train, etc. So STF, I kindly ask.

    As for your other post, cheating is doing something that is not allowed. It is not a monolitic thing wrote on stone. It changes as sports rules change. But hell, thats my opinion.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    and why did my long message get all crammed together? i had separate paragraphs.... now no one is gonna read all that haha
    yeah i skipped reading that haha! but i repped it cause i know it took atleast 15minutes lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by liftstrong View Post
    yeah i skipped reading that haha! but i repped it cause i know it took atleast 15minutes lol
    hahah thanks... thats like the 3rd time that's happened.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post

    Wtf??
    1) I donīt know what you are talking about me liking to diminish others.
    2) I say "little" not as in "you weigh 145lb". Donīt be that literal, dude..
    3) I do have a life. I am a lawyer, I work, have a gf, go out, train, etc. So STF, I kindly ask.

    As for your other post, cheating is doing something that is not allowed. It is not a monolitic thing wrote on stone. It changes as sports rules change. But hell, thats my opinion.
    May I approach the bench as a fellow laywer? I thought I was the only lawyer who lifts haha!

    We have very busy scheduling and we can do it. I laugh at people who make excuses about not having time.
    A little off topic but thought it needed to be said haha!
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    May I approach the bench as a fellow laywer? I thought I was the only lawyer who lifts haha!

    We have very busy scheduling and we can do it. I laugh at people who make excuses about not having time.
    A little off topic but thought it needed to be said haha!
    Haha! I know very little lawyers that lift, thats for sure!

    If you arrange your schedule efficiently, there is always some time to hit the gym, although I dont litigate, I work in the family business.


  16. Quote Originally Posted by FranARG View Post

    Haha! I know very little lawyers that lift, thats for sure!

    If you arrange your schedule efficiently, there is always some time to hit the gym, although I dont litigate, I work in the family business.

    I am a shark. ******* in the council chambers beast in the gym and loving husband at home.
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  17. Way I see it, I have a goal for myself. To obtain that goal I need a boost. Why should I care what other people think? Mediocrity is pathetic.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by TaylorSwift View Post
    Way I see it, I have a goal for myself. To obtain that goal I need a boost. Why should I care what other people think? Mediocrity is pathetic.
    If you ain't first your last
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Danb2285 View Post

    If you ain't first your last
    Lmao! Baby jesus! Reps when I get home!

  20. I was thinking about this the other day..... how many people take statins? Is that cheating? High BP meds? Cheaters? Antidepressants? Pain killers? The list goes on and on. But orals are OK/accepted but as soon as a medication goes IM, it's taboo.
    This is so retarded. People who take AAS/PH are arguably the healthiest people around: diet and fitness oriented.
    Cheating? Maybe in competition if nobody else uses. But cheating as in life? I say those cheaters in life are the ones who take drugs because of their poor health choices; obesity, type II diabetes, high BP, CPAP machines, motorized shopping cart things... THEY are the cheaters

  21. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I was thinking about this the other day..... how many people take statins? Is that cheating? High BP meds? Cheaters? Antidepressants? Pain killers? The list goes on and on. But orals are OK/accepted but as soon as a medication goes IM, it's taboo.
    This is so retarded. People who take AAS/PH are arguably the healthiest people around: diet and fitness oriented.
    Cheating? Maybe in competition if nobody else uses. But cheating as in life? I say those cheaters in life are the ones who take drugs because of their poor health choices; obesity, type II diabetes, high BP, CPAP machines, motorized shopping cart things... THEY are the cheaters
    I am with you in many of the things you said.
    There is no such thing as "cheaters in life". You only cheat if it is banned or prohibited. Otherwise, you just enhance your athletic performance.

  22. The sport governing body's do not want you to cheat as it imparts a negative impact on the sporting image; think of the children who aspire to be these athletes for example, or want to grow up being the best in their field. Must the only way they can ever attain these results be from blood doping, injecting new compounds to hide under the radar and so on? Is this what we want the children to aspire toward?

    The issue is though, that as the stress of being the best, as winning etc. mount and the pressure is on to retain medals and trophies and your job as an athlete, so to does the pressure to push yourself beyond what you are naturally capable to achieve. Sport is about winning; the parents that say "its not about winning, its about having fun" blah blah have got it wrong. When I compete, I want to win. I want to be the best. If I knew others in my sport were juicing, then I would too because otherwsie, I come second. And second doesn't get noticed by big sponsors.

    Is it cheating? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Quite simply we want athletes to be bigger, better, faster stronger and be natural but then accuse them of cheating when they do attain these goals. If sport already has that kind of image, maybe it is time to embrace it.

    Or maybe now more than ever it is time to change that perspective.

  23. Until organized sports do a better job of testing there is going to be continued use of steroids at the professional level. This kind of goes back to the if everyone is doing it is it cheating question. Hell the NFL doesn't even test for HGH yet!
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  24. Speaking of organized sports and testing (not to hi jack jbry's thread) The MLB test for testosterone but they do it by testing a players baseline test levels throughout the year. Which made me think of a question for you guys who think any advantage is cheating....If a MLB player is on TRT and has constant test levels of let's say 800 to 1200 or somewhere in the "normal" range is that cheating? Even though he's on par with everyone else his age and has no significant advantage over anyone?
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  25. I don't believe any sports test for ostraine yet
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