Bulking cycle Prep.

[hazard12]

I want to start planning my next bulking cycle and i want to get some advice on what would be the best way to do it. My last cycle was kinda messy but worked out, it had 4-ad, a 19nor prohormone, osta and epistane and its actually logged here. I managed to gain around 13 pounds shooting up to 189. I followed the cycle by an experimental PCT (included all the standart SERM and stuff), but it was more a recomp with Intermittent fasting. Its worked out pretty decent leaning me out while keeping all of my strength.

I am now sitting at 174lb after a good cut (im actually lighter than when i started my last cycle but my %bf is way lower and im way stronger). I want to be realistic and shoot for a max of 10lb of lean muscle. At the moment I want to try a stack of Methylstenbolone and Halodrol. Im not entirely sure about the dosage but i wanted to run it for 4-5 weeks at around 12mg/75mg respectively. Id get all the necessary on-cycle support (planning to go all out given the level of toxicity here) and PCT (nolva or clomid, not sure yet) and an OTC pct afterwards.

Some specific questions i have:
1. Should i get formestane or 6-oxo to control E? If so which?
2. Given this cycle what are some realistic gains i can expect?
3. I was thinking of trying an IF approach while on it 16/8 trying to keep it as close to a recomp/lean bulk as possible, does anyone have any experience with IF PH cycles that can help out with this?
4. During my last cycle i trained with Negatives/ volume training while on cycle and explosive strength/short sets during PCT, does anyone know a better training approach?
5. Add anything you think id be interested in, I have around a month before i start it and I want to be as prepared as possible to get the most out of it so any relevant discussion is welcomed.

Thanks in advance

 

[hazard12]

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[Killler]

Why don`t you get some dbol and test-e and do a great bulk.

 

[hazard12]

I currently dont have a reliable source for them otherwise id be down. I have no problem with doing injectables ive actually done Intramuscular injections before. I dont want to risk a faulty cycle cause of bad gear. I could however get my hands on some Trestolone if you think id be able to do a good cycle with that.

 

[Killler]

I currently dont have a reliable source for them otherwise id be down. I have no problem with doing injectables ive actually done Intramuscular injections before. I dont want to risk a faulty cycle cause of bad gear. I could however get my hands on some Trestolone if you think id be able to do a good cycle with that.

No,Trestolone is murky waters,it is not yet clear what gains one can expect from this steroid.

Just wait till someone answers your P/H questions.

 

[hazard12]

Thanks bro, im in the lookout for a legit place to get some real gear but until then i have to settle for P/H. If i do run into a legit site ill post it to look into that kind of cycle.

 

[hazard12]

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[Thatguy_603]

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Check pm bro.

 

[hazard12]

Ive been doing some reading and apparently people dont like to run Methyl sten for more than 4 weeks since the sides can get bad. Since i want to run a 6 week cycle would it be smart to do Halo: 75/75/75/75/100/100 and M-sten: 12/12/12/12/0/0 or rather have the M-sten for the last 4 weeks?

 

[mattys4]

Ive been doing some reading and apparently people dont like to run Methyl sten for more than 4 weeks since the sides can get bad. Since i want to run a 6 week cycle would it be smart to do Halo: 75/75/75/75/100/100 and M-sten: 12/12/12/12/0/0 or rather have the M-sten for the last 4 weeks?

Run msten at 20 and halo at 100 six weeks no problem drink lots of water youll be fine.

 

[mattys4]

No,Trestolone is murky waters,it is not yet clear what gains one can expect from this steroid.

Just wait till someone answers your P/H questions.

Some really good trestolone logs on other forums i wouldnt consider it murky waters at all

 

[Killler]

Some really good trestolone logs on other forums i wouldnt consider it murky waters at all

Still not clear,and I`ve read many of such logs.

Sure you can gain,but certainly wouldn`t choose it over test and dbol ever.

 

[mattys4]

Still not clear,and I`ve read many of such logs.

Sure you can gain,but certainly wouldn`t choose it over test and dbol ever.

Well ill certainly be running it in my off season.

 

[Killler]

Well ill certainly be running it in my off season.

Good,if what I`ve read is correct,you should be properly horny.

 

[mattys4]

Good,if what I`ve read is correct,you should be properly horny.

LoL if its any more then test/tren/mast stack my wife may be broken

 

[hazard12]

Lol, if anyone can share to personal experience with trestolone here thatd be legit, a trest cycle would be almost too easy to set up. IDK about the hard shutdown tho, im 21 and hard shutdown doesnt sound too good.

 

[Killler]

LoL if its any more then test/tren/mast stack my wife may be broken

It`s always good to break the wife.

 

[Killler]

Lol, if anyone can share to personal experience with trestolone here thatd be legit, a trest cycle would be almost too easy to set up. IDK about the hard shutdown tho, im 21 and hard shutdown doesnt sound too good.

From what I understand,there has been some research on trestolone as a possible male contraceptive for reasons that it:
1.shuts you down quickly and at low dose
2.you keep and accelerate your sex drive like you were on test
3.shutdown quickly reverses once you stop

I don`t know how solid all these claims are.

 

[hazard12]

So after some consideration I have some more questions besides the ones in the original post.
1. Being my 2nd cycle (3rd if you consider one i did with ostarine before that), would it be safe to go for the msten, halo stack? If its about knowledge im pretty sure im good, i pretty much research this stuff everyday.
2. Since it would be my 1rst cycle with these 2 products would it be effective/better to run it 12mg/75mg ED rather than the 20mg/100mg ED that ive been adviced by some people (maybe thinking i had more cycles under my belt). Is there any other ratios that you think would be even better?

 

[mattys4]

So after some consideration I have some more questions besides the ones in the original post.
1. Being my 2nd cycle (3rd if you consider one i did with ostarine before that), would it be safe to go for the msten, halo stack? If its about knowledge im pretty sure im good, i pretty much research this stuff everyday.
2. Since it would be my 1rst cycle with these 2 products would it be effective/better to run it 12mg/75mg ED rather than the 20mg/100mg ED that ive been adviced by some people (maybe thinking i had more cycles under my belt). Is there any other ratios that you think would be even better?

I would do 20/100. Youll be fine.

 

[hazard12]

I would do 20/100. Youll be fine.

Aight, ill start planning out the whole thing to the T ill post it here to see what people think.

 

[mattys4]

Aight, ill start planning out the whole thing to the T ill post it here to see what people think.

Ok bro. You can inbox me questions too. Its not as crazy to plan a cycle as some people on these forums make it seem.

 

[hazard12]

Cycle draft.

Background: Im currently 170lb with around 10-9%BF. At the moment when I initiate this cycle I will have been on off cycle for exactly the amount I was on (on cycle+PCT ). In my previous cycle I went all the way up to 189lb with a Epi cycle with some added 4-ad,osta and decavol. Strangely I went down by about 19 pounds in a cut/recomp I did over my PCT and off cycle period but I managed to maintain all of my strength. I attribute this to the IF protocol ive been following ever since (reason why I will attempt to IF during this bulk, except I will be doing 16 hours fast 8 hour eating window).
The objective of this cycle is mainly to skyrocket my strength as much as possible. Secondly I want to add as much lean muscle as I can while keeping my bf% as close as possible to my current number.
Frontload Period:
Given the harsh nature of the cycle I will be taking I want to minimize the damage to my body.
Cycle support (1 scoop/day) for a week.
TUDCA (250mg/day) for a week.
Cycle:
The compounds I’ll be using are M-sten and Halodrol (both bought as bulkpowders from elitemuscles.com that I’ll turn into a solution that I will take 3 times a day to split the dose evenly).
M-sten 20/20/20/20/20/20
Halodrol 100/100/100/100/100/100
Dailty supps:
Creatine (which im currently cycling off as well) 10g/day
Opti-men Multivitamin 2 pills a day (2/3 of the dose)
Fish oils 6g a day
BCAA (early in the morning while fasting and preworkout ) 10g/dose
Green tea extract 50% extract 1.5g/day
Cissus quadrangularis 3g/day
Korean ginseng 648mg twice a day (im replacing all stimulants during this cycle to prevent BP)
A stimulant free preworkout (still in the lookout)
TUDCA 250mg/day
Cycle support (1 scoop/day)
Nutrition:
I will be attempting to use this particular factor to try something new and actually worth logging. There’s a bunch of msten-halodrol logs out there, mine will include a IF protocol with it to attempt to make it as close to a lean cut/recomp as possible.
IF protocol : 16h fast/8hour eating window
Macros: 40p/40c/20f
Calories:
I will start with 3500cal on workout days and 3000cal on rest days and adjust depending on weekly progress. (Given that reports say gains are anywhere from 10-15 pounds for similar cycles I will be expecting anywhere between 1.5/2 pounds gained per week (correct me if im wrong)
Training:
This is where I want to focus on my goal of strength followed by mass. I will be mainly training with compound movements for 6 reps.
Mon: Chest/tricep/shoulder
Tuesday: Rest
Wednesday: Back/biceps
Thursday: rest
Friday: Shoulder/Triceps
Saturday: Legs
Sunday: Rest
Main lifts: I will always include these in each of their respective days as a good gauge of my progress.
Chest/shoulder/tricep: Incline or flat Bench/Weighted Dips
Back/Biceps: Deadlift/Weighted pull ups/Weighted Chin ups
Shoulder/triceps: Shoulder press/ Military press
Legs: Squats (ATG)/Leg press
Depending on the specific days I will add supplementing exercises to these.
PCT:
Since this is a harsh cycle I will be doing a rather over the top PCT to ensure no losses or problems afterwards.
Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex: 40/20/10/10
UR-spray: One bottle during PCT and another bottle following off cycle.
DAA: 6g front load last week of cycle and 3g/day during PCT.

This is a very extended version to explain why and stuff, when i actually create the log its going to be a lot more concise. Anyways Please give a quick look and give me some advice on how to make it better.