What to take to minimize PH sides?
- 05-13-2013, 08:46 PM
What to take to minimize PH sides?
Lethargy and no motivation was a problem for me on my last cycle (epi 30/50/50/60). I wonder if pinning test would have prevented this? I'm not ready to pin yet so I'm looking for another solution. Would staking with a DHT PH help? I know nothing about them, but heard that might be a solution. What is the most common method for countering sides like lethargy? I was told if I planned better, I could have avoided the sides. So help me to plan better! I'm still not counting out the slim chance that what I was experiencing was not related to test/shut-down rather liver stress, yet EPI is suppose to be rather mild, so I'm leaning more toward my lethargy being related to shut-down. Any thoughts on this?
- 05-13-2013, 08:55 PM
05-13-2013, 08:56 PM
dht or a test base are both used to counter lethargy from supressed test. by test base, i mean 4dhea, transdermal dhea, or pinning test. dht is either stano or epiandrosterone. none of thse are methyated so you can add them to virtually any stack without impacting your liver. supression however could get worse by adding them
05-13-2013, 09:08 PM
05-13-2013, 09:11 PM
it really depends what you add and at what dose. if youre feeling like **** from a sd cycle, youre probly already shutdown. at that point, it cant really do any more harm
05-13-2013, 09:13 PM
05-13-2013, 09:18 PM
Thank you. Now it's dumb question time. Is 4-DHEA the standard DHEA supplement that I see at my Vitamin Shoppe, or is the "4" a different kind of DHEA?Is taking DHEA going to be the same as taking epiandrosterone? Epiandrosterone is a metabolite of DHEA isn't it?
05-13-2013, 09:21 PM
4dhea and epiandro are both dhea metabolites. normal dhea converts to all sorts of ****. 4dhea is a 2step conversion to test. epiandro is a conversion to dht
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05-13-2013, 09:45 PM
05-13-2013, 09:47 PM
I was thinking of stacking HD or SD with transdermal Trenazone. Can I safely add 4-DHEA to this stack?
05-13-2013, 09:56 PM
05-13-2013, 10:06 PM
The other option would be to go to my doc to get my t levels tested now which will test low cause I'm not fully recovered. Get a TRT prescription that my health care provider would probably pay for, or at least pay part of and do TRT while on cycle. Are people doing this? Are the TRT dosages significant enough to battle lethargy?
05-13-2013, 10:15 PM
05-13-2013, 10:32 PM
Okay last question. If I'm able to request what I want from my doctor, what is the ideal TRT? You say patches are no good. Does the same apply to all transdermal methods? I can't imagine him prescribing me anything that I would pin, so I presume it will be transdermal. Or are docs actually prescribing pinned test for TRT frequently?
05-13-2013, 10:50 PM
You can definitely get injectable test as part of a TRT protocol. You just have to find the right MD. The dosage is something for you and your provider to work out. At least 300 mg would be a nice start.
05-13-2013, 11:14 PM
Holy shyt, 300mg? nice cycle there, but not so nice trt dose. 100mg is fine for most guys, some do as low as 70mg and some do 150-200mg of course (which is also overboard and is not "trt" in my estimations at 200mg+). As for the topicals? Androgel got me to around 800, which is more than adequate. I like the topical since I can apply twice daily to keep levels super constant (topical daily + twice daily)...I also apply it where I get some DHT conversion, which is better controlled via topical application. You don't want to take retarded doses of test EW for the rest of your life 365....this is for a therapeutic dose to get you to normal or high normal. You can always save up test and blast at 300-500 for a few months....but damn....
05-14-2013, 01:49 AM
I'm going to aim for test cyp 200mg/week from an anti-aging clinic that treats low-t. Would this dosage be enough to eliminate shut-down related lethargy? Should I also take 4-DHEA?
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