Anti-Estrogen and HCG?

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  1. Anti-Estrogen and HCG?


    Should one take an AI while on HCG? I have been taking an AI for about three or four days every other week. Any advice?


  2. Are you in pct or is this on cycle hcg. If on cycle yea man take .5 arimidex eod.
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  3. Hcg rapidly aromitizes. You need estro control with it

  4. Lots of info on hcg in TRT threads. It increases e2 substantially and would probably need an AI to control it. Some guys have labs showing increases of 3 times over normal.

    Really, I firmly believe that hcg should never be used or if it needs to, for a very short time and sparingly.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Are you in pct or is this on cycle hcg. If on cycle yea man take .5 arimidex eod.
    I'm on cycle but ONLY with HCG.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Are you in pct or is this on cycle hcg. If on cycle yea man take .5 arimidex eod.
    I'm on cycle but ONLY with HCG.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    I'm on cycle but ONLY with HCG.
    GET AN ANTI E!!!!!!! I cant stress this enough. Hcg spikes e big time. Get armidex and take .5 mg eod. Thank me later.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Lots of info on hcg in TRT threads. It increases e2 substantially and would probably need an AI to control it. Some guys have labs showing increases of 3 times over normal.

    Really, I firmly believe that hcg should never be used or if it needs to, for a very short time and sparingly.
    Well, I have been on about 3ccs per week (1 cc every three days) for 6 weeks and I have been hornier than when I'm on AAS with no AI. I'm getting my bloods done on the 23rd but I dont feel emotional which is usually the symptom of high estrogen and my erections have been good up until I started doing Aromasin and Proviron. I'm thinking I over did it with AI?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    I'm on cycle but ONLY with HCG.
    No anti e will result in bloat and gyno guaranteed, not to mention recovery will be harder with all that estrogen floating around.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    GET AN ANTI E!!!!!!! I cant stress this enough. Hcg spikes e big time. Get armidex and take .5 mg eod. Thank me later.
    ok, thnak you. But I have been on 1mg of Armison for 4 days on and three days off and Proviron at 50mg per day for 2 weeks and I'm feeling not at horny as I use to, so I stopped.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    No anti e will result in bloat and gyno guaranteed, not to mention recovery will be harder with all that estrogen floating around.
    So far after 6 weeks no gyno or bloat. But after 4 weeks I did start Arimasin at 1mg per day 4 days on 3 days off and then started Proviron at 50mg per day. Did I over do it with AI?

  12. 1mg of aromasin? That isn't much at all. I have 12.5mg and usually see 25.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    So far after 6 weeks no gyno or bloat. But after 4 weeks I did start Arimasin at 1mg per day 4 days on 3 days off and then started Proviron at 50mg per day. Did I over do it with AI?
    Yea thats a weird dose of aromasin, usually its higher than that. Your dosing protocol is off to, the key is to keep blood levels of hormones stble. You want an ed or eod protocol. And you can bump that proviron up to 75 or a 100 your not likely to get much effect at 50 mg. i strongly suggest you get arimidex. Its a better compound and easier to dose imo. Just my 2 cents

  14. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Yea thats a weird dose of aromasin, usually its higher than that. Your dosing protocol is off to, the key is to keep blood levels of hormones stble. You want an ed or eod protocol. And you can bump that proviron up to 75 or a 100 your not likely to get much effect at 50 mg. i strongly suggest you get arimidex. Its a better compound and easier to dose imo. Just my 2 cents
    It was a whole pill, I have to check the dosage.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post

    GET AN ANTI E!!!!!!! I cant stress this enough. Hcg spikes e big time. Get armidex and take .5 mg eod. Thank me later.
    *^^^ joe follow this advice ^^^

  16. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post

    Well, I have been on about 3ccs per week (1 cc every three days) for 6 weeks and I have been hornier than when I'm on AAS with no AI. I'm getting my bloods done on the 23rd but I dont feel emotional which is usually the symptom of high estrogen and my erections have been good up until I started doing Aromasin and Proviron. I'm thinking I over did it with AI?
    What concentration have you mixed your hcg at? Im assuming you got 5000 iu amps?
    I did 250 iu eod along with .5 adex and i kept hanging balls pretty much throughout cycle and into pct. Be careful with hcg tho, its funky compound. Too much you **** up your nuts, lydig cell desensitization they call it, to little and the steroids will cause them to atrophy.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JoeBrooklyn View Post
    It was a whole pill, I have to check the dosage.
    Ok, sorry, my dosage was 10mg not 1mg.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    What concentration have you mixed your hcg at? Im assuming you got 5000 iu amps?
    I did 250 iu eod along with .5 adex and i kept hanging balls pretty much throughout cycle and into pct. Be careful with hcg tho, its funky compound. Too much you **** up your nuts, lydig cell desensitization they call it, to little and the steroids will cause them to atrophy.
    The bottle says 10,000 USP, I dont know what that means but the doctor told me to mix it with 10ccs of Bac water. I do 1cc every three days. I'm not on any steroids right now, just was on Proviron for about two weeks.

  19. So im confused why are you taking hcg if not on gear? Are you in pct?

  20. Ok so by his RX your doing 1000 iu e3d, 10000 iu over 10 ml is 1000 iu per ml. Thats perfectly standard dosing.

  21. How old are you joe if you dont mind me asking?

  22. Pertaining to your original question, id say 10 mg aromasin eod should be just about right. Remember, even though proviron is essentially dht, it does have some intrinsic anti estrogenic properties. So with that dosage you should be good boss.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    So im confused why are you taking hcg if not on gear? Are you in pct?
    No, a while ago I was on gear. I am new to this so I was ignorant about AIs and didnt use any while I was on 4ccs of test and 2ccs of Deca per week. After 5 weeks I got dead dick. I got my bloods and my estrogen was 229! I got some Letro to crush it but also went to a doctor that was recommended to me and when he saw my test levels at above 1600, he thought that was ridiculous. He gave me a lecture from which I told him I didnt need one and that I'm 43 and i dont want to just deteriorate as I get older. He said he agreed but large amounts of test was not the way. So he recommended HCG.
    My gains have been slow but my libido has been good, unlike gear. About two weeks ago I started doing some Aromasin 10mg a day for 4 days on and 4 days off and 50mg of Provirion and I feel that my libido has gone down a bit. I'm afraid the combo of Proviron and Aromasin brought my estrogen levels too low and thus my libido is suffering a bit.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    How old are you joe if you dont mind me asking?
    43.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Pertaining to your original question, id say 10 mg aromasin eod should be just about right. Remember, even though proviron is essentially dht, it does have some intrinsic anti estrogenic properties. So with that dosage you should be good boss.
    I have stopped taking both about 5 days ago. I went to the doctor for a follow up 2 days ago and going to have bloods on the 23rd.
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