First cycle of RAW(epi and lmg)

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  1. If you didnt gain on 40mgs of epi/100mgs lmg I would say your product was probably not very good. Even if you diet was horrible you still should of seen something from that stack. 100mgs of lmg should of had you feeling very full and definate weight gain by the 2nd week.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by thehogsters View Post
    You guys are all full of S*$t bashing this guy with dead lift this and squat that. He is a hard gainer plain and simple. You can eat & lift perfect then take test E and anadrol till the cows come home and still not get huge. A guy I grew up with does no squats, no dead lift, hell 90% of his lifts are on machines. Yes is is a fing huge beast. Sorry but it is 80% genetics. Sure a proper diet, training and gear a huge but nothing will ever come close to what you where born with.
    First off, let me be clear, in no way am I bashing this guy.

    I am helping him acquire gains by suggesting he deadlift and squat. Yes his numbers are low and yes it's because he had knee surgery, but if he's serious about getting big he needs to be doing these lifts.

    If you think you can get big without the two most important lifts, you're high as a kite.

    no offense but if your buddy only does machines, he is a puss-C
    You don't get big without squats and deads, unless you're abusing gear.
    And if you're abusing gear and not doing those lifts, you're not a man, period.
    I know one thing to be true in the world of training.

    "if you don't squat, you ain't squat"
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  3. "no offense but if your buddy only does machines, he is a puss-C
    You don't get big without squats and deads, unless you're abusing gear.
    And if you're abusing gear and not doing those lifts, you're not a man, period.
    I know one thing to be true in the world of training.

    "if you don't squat, you ain't squat""

    LoL ok tell that to all those body building trophies he has on the shelf. I know he has done squats but it has been years since he has. Don't get me wrong squats are great but my point is some people are so blessed that they don't have to do them to be huge.

    Did you ever watch 30 for 30? The Bo Jackson story was great. One of his best friend said he never lifted hardly EVER! Same thing for Steve McNair.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thehogsters View Post
    You guys are all full of S*$t bashing this guy with dead lift this and squat that. He is a hard gainer plain and simple. You can eat & lift perfect then take test E and anadrol till the cows come home and still not get huge. A guy I grew up with does no squats, no dead lift, hell 90% of his lifts are on machines. Yes is is a fing huge beast. Sorry but it is 80% genetics. Sure a proper diet, training and gear a huge but nothing will ever come close to what you where born with.
    This is so wrong. Aas, HGH, slin, diet, training > genetics. If you can't get big with test and anadrol or whatever, you are doing it wrong.

  5. Beltmann, do try the milk stuff. I am on epi and drinking around a quarter of galon of 2%milk a day, and it has helped me a lot, though I am not a hard gainer.
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  6. OP if you don't mind post up a typical day of eating, perhaps that will give us some insight into your program, maybe there is something that could be tweaked. Irregardless of diet and training you should have noticed certain things on cycle such as increased muscle hardness(this happens within days for me no matter the compound.) I suspect the product was junk but without a lab analysis there is no way to be sure. If you ran blood work and everything thing came back great, high test, low LDL, high HDL, and excellent liver values then I would venture the guess you got some bunk gear. Next time buy a reputable brand, shoot me a PM if you need to pick one. In the end there is always a chance that you simply do not respond to these compounds but I suspect this is not the case but who knows.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by bigflex0 View Post
    OP if you don't mind post up a typical day of eating, perhaps that will give us some insight into your program, maybe there is something that could be tweaked. Irregardless of diet and training you should have noticed certain things on cycle such as increased muscle hardness(this happens within days for me no matter the compound.) I suspect the product was junk but without a lab analysis there is no way to be sure. If you ran blood work and everything thing came back great, high test, low LDL, high HDL, and excellent liver values then I would venture the guess you got some bunk gear. Next time buy a reputable brand, shoot me a PM if you need to pick one. In the end there is always a chance that you simply do not respond to these compounds but I suspect this is not the case but who knows.
    I was actually going to post something earlier but my phone was acting crazy. Is there a possibility that by putting the bottle in my cooler that that could affect the potency? Haven't gotten any blood work done but I'm almost positive its either way underdosed or bunk. Diet is usually a bunch of oatmeal or cereal with a protein shake at 7, 930 ish is a giant sandwich I make, 1130-1200 yogurt and a bunch of almonds with some more shake, 230 another giant sandwich, 400 preworkout shake 530-6 post wo shake, 730 dinner (chicken, steak, sweet potatoes, etc) 930 bed time snack of cottage cheese or shake depending on what im feeling. Try to limit carbs to under 20g before bed to help with natural hgh pro. Obviously I change it up occasionally to break up the monotony but you get the idea. Not a bb diet but def one I figured I could stack mass on with. Honestly I'm just ready to take these last few pills tomorrow and start clomid on sat. Debating on how exactly to dose bc I don't want to waste it if I don't have to. Was originally planning on 100/50/50/50 with starting EOD on the 18th. Not so sure now. Maybe do 50/25/25/12.5 starting EOD on DAY 15

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jbeltmann View Post

    I was actually going to post something earlier but my phone was acting crazy. Is there a possibility that by putting the bottle in my cooler that that could affect the potency? Haven't gotten any blood work done but I'm almost positive its either way underdosed or bunk. Diet is usually a bunch of oatmeal or cereal with a protein shake at 7, 930 ish is a giant sandwich I make, 1130-1200 yogurt and a bunch of almonds with some more shake, 230 another giant sandwich, 400 preworkout shake 530-6 post wo shake, 730 dinner (chicken, steak, sweet potatoes, etc) 930 bed time snack of cottage cheese or shake depending on what im feeling. Try to limit carbs to under 20g before bed to help with natural hgh pro. Obviously I change it up occasionally to break up the monotony but you get the idea. Not a bb diet but def one I figured I could stack mass on with. Honestly I'm just ready to take these last few pills tomorrow and start clomid on sat. Debating on how exactly to dose bc I don't want to waste it if I don't have to. Was originally planning on 100/50/50/50 with starting EOD on the 18th. Not so sure now. Maybe do 50/25/25/12.5 starting EOD on DAY 15
    I don't think you're eating enough.

    How big are these big sandwiches?
    Please explain one on detail.

    Eat eggs in the morning. Every morning. Get ample carbs for breakfast too.
    Don't be afraid to eat fruit

    eat more whole food and less shakes.

    Eat sooner after your post without shake... Try 45 minutes to an hour after the shake.

    Try eating red meat and peanut butter before bed. Add carbs in as needed, I think you need more carbs personally.


    You can call this bro science if you want but it's worked for me

  9. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    I don't think you're eating enough.

    How big are these big sandwiches?
    Please explain one on detail.

    Eat eggs in the morning. Every morning. Get ample carbs for breakfast too.
    Don't be afraid to eat fruit

    eat more whole food and less shakes.

    Eat sooner after your post without shake... Try 45 minutes to an hour after the shake.

    Try eating red meat and peanut butter before bed. Add carbs in as needed, I think you need more carbs personally.
    Like he said.. I find I feel much stronger and muscles much more full when I'm heavy in the red meat and carbs. Better growth and better feeling in your guts.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    I don't think you're eating enough.

    How big are these big sandwiches?
    Please explain one on detail.

    Eat eggs in the morning. Every morning. Get ample carbs for breakfast too.
    Don't be afraid to eat fruit

    eat more whole food and less shakes.

    Eat sooner after your post without shake... Try 45 minutes to an hour after the shake.

    Try eating red meat and peanut butter before bed. Add carbs in as needed, I think you need more carbs personally.


    You can call this bro science if you want but it's worked for me
    Thanks for the ideas. Sammys are ~850 cal. All lean meat, cheese and mayo on double protein bread. Shakes are my homade blend of cyto carb and whey. Each shake is 63g c, 54g p, 4g fat. I do admit I need to get better with fruit tho. So steak/beef will be better than chicken?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jbeltmann View Post

    Thanks for the ideas. Sammys are ~850 cal. All lean meat, cheese and mayo on double protein bread. Shakes are my homade blend of cyto carb and whey. Each shake is 63g c, 54g p, 4g fat. I do admit I need to get better with fruit tho. So steak/beef will be better than chicken?
    No chicken is good but I suggest eating red meat after your post workout shake.
    Still eat chicken too. Replace a shake with chicken and some carbs, add red meat to your cottage cheese meal

  12. Well I started the first day of clomid. Stuff doesn't taste very good lol so I just take it with some milk. Have a feeling I'll see better results from clomid istead of this bs product. Idk why its such garbage if its 100% legal to sell ph. Will be running clomid 25mg/day for 3 weeks.

    I also ordered 4 bottles of super dmz. I won't be starting another cycle for awhile but wanted to get my hands on some in the case it may get banned. 2 are for my buddy I lift with and I might sell the last one to my roomate. Idk yet. If I really like it and it does get banned I'll probably just keep the last one for myself. Thanks to everyone thats has offered advice and helped me. I'll continue to give updates occasionally.

  13. well I'm almost 2 weeks into clomid and no negative sides. Downstairs is working just fine. Maintaining weight at 178 but seems like a little more water than I'd like. Probably start formadrol or erase at one cap a day and see how that works. Only bummer is I tore my rotator cuff slightly carrying a 20ft ext ladder by myself. Nothing major but haven't been able to do **** besides work and leg days. Going to be starting 5x5 training on Mon if the shoulder will allow. I'm excited to go back to a 3 day split so I'll have more time to do other things. Any tips, advice, things to expect, etc while doing 5x5 training? My only concern is if I'll be able to recover quick enough to go every other day (mon, wed, fri) legs are my biggest concern bc of my job.
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