First cycle of RAW(epi and lmg)
- 05-12-2013, 09:36 AM
- 05-12-2013, 09:52 AM
05-12-2013, 10:52 AM
and another reason everyone thinks youre an idiot is because you bought the raw stack in the first place, and an otc pct from a store. so its retty obvious that you didnt do any research seeing you bought a product from a youtube video. ptherwise youd have known that epi or halo for 6 weeks is the way to go
good places to start so read over them and pick one. both very good first run cmpounds for 6 weeks, not 4. you cut this one short and underdosed it
05-12-2013, 11:09 AM
Do you want to know why people including me jumped on your posts? It's cause its frustrating for us when noobs come in thinking they can reinvent the wheel with three months of research. I have been learning and studying for 10 years, same with the other guys who posted in this thread, you just need to realize that while 3 months may seem like a long time, you don't know as much as many of these other posters. I am done with this thread.
05-12-2013, 11:14 AM
At least onion has a decent understanding of wtf he's doing from all of his posts I've seen.
I'll add in, op, get off the juice. I'm a half inch shorter than you. Didn't touch gear until 210lbs @10%.im a half inch shorter. Stating "body types" is pretty out dated. We all train to look ecto/ You really should get A serm for pct. Lmg isn't a kiddie compound it's a failed contraceptive. You understand stuff like that is designed to make your junk stop working right? How much mass did you expect to gain off a 4 week ds cycle? Drugs at standard doses don't work miracles. Even with drugs it doesn't happen over night
. You mentioned you were trying to recomp and gained 3 lbs. pretty good imo. Depending on your deficit it explains strength too. How many dudes maintain all strength in a deficit? On gear? I'm struggling to hold strength in a 500 cal deficit. I haven't gained any body weight. I'm using around a gram a week anabolics with trt test.
You sound like a whiney f*cking kid wanting it now. Act like a grown ass man. Be patient. Work your ass off for what you want and stop acting like a spoiled brat. Don't ask advice in a forum if you think you won't like the answer.
I'm just a dude chasing a dream
05-12-2013, 11:59 AM
05-12-2013, 12:09 PM
Edit- Didn't realize taking 30 mg of epi was considered underdosing? Thought 40-50 was the sweet spot for most but many see results at 30/day. I didn't buy this bc of some video lol. I did some research and they had a sale on this product. Dropped from 100 t0 50/bottle. I'll be running this 5 weeks total so not that much diff than your 6 that you recommended. If I order some liquid clomid will you guys back off a little? Everyone comes off like I know absolutely nothing and assume the worst while putting themselves up on this pedastal
05-12-2013, 01:17 PM
Ok I'm just going to order clomid. Would there be any benefit to adding letrozol, tamoxifen, and/or torem? I originally planned on using just clomid at the beginning of my cycle but figured it wasn't working and didn't have the need to run one.
05-13-2013, 03:06 AM
05-13-2013, 09:33 AM
and if you read numerous threads, youd have known raw sucks. we come off as elitists because you wernt listening and kept making dum excuses
05-13-2013, 10:16 AM
05-13-2013, 10:21 AM
05-13-2013, 10:31 AM
I think you underdosed the epi. I am on my first week on epi, and I am already seeing results. Modest results, but they are there only a week into cycle. I probably think my diet has helped because I am eating way more than I was eating. I am running epi at 40mg a day, since day 2, and already look leaner (I can appreciate it and other people as well) and gained 3 pounds.So, again, I think you underdosed the epi.Finally, im glad you are going to run a serm.
05-13-2013, 12:21 PM
05-13-2013, 12:24 PM
No i ran it at 2 caps a day for week one then up ed it to 3/day till week 3. I've been at 4/day since then and have 5 days left. 5 weeks total. Personally i think its just a ****ty product bc my training and diet are on point. Taking 100mg of lmg and 40mg of epi i should be feeling it come on pretty strong but its incredibly weak.
05-13-2013, 03:35 PM
"I had an ACL reconstruction done. The surgeon used semitendinosus tendon for the operation. rehab was a bitch. I didn't notice any major improvements until I started squatting with moderate weight. I started squatting with 135 lbs. about 3 months after the surgery and was back to squatting my regular weight about 10 - 12 months later. Four years later later, I'm squatting significantly more weight than before the injury. There is no pain in the knee when I squat below parallel. When I try to go ass to the ground I do feel some stiffness in the joint. "
you can make excuses or you can make progress
05-13-2013, 04:46 PM
05-13-2013, 04:50 PM
There is this Xerbia kid who is not even 20 and does a ****load of gear and nobody says crap to him..
05-13-2013, 04:52 PM
05-13-2013, 04:53 PM
05-13-2013, 04:56 PM
05-13-2013, 05:01 PM
05-13-2013, 05:09 PM
Show me a hard gainer and I'll show you someone who doesn't eat enough.
People just get butt hurt a little too easy sometimes...
05-13-2013, 08:32 PM
Sorry if I got off on the wrong foot with some people but I do believe in treat people the way you want to be treated. I never said anything negative until I got lit up for being a moron bc I eat all the time(most days over 3500 calories, and yes macros are dead on), train my ass off, and sleep 8 hours a night. IMHO I'm doing everything I can to make gains, but to others that have never met me, or have the slightest idea of how hard working a person I am, I'm doing absolutely nothing right in their eyes.
For my original goals of recomp my results are decent I guess, but personally I feel its just 5 weeks of training showing minimal results. I had one day where I felt increbily strong. Thats it. If I am taking gear where the hell are the strength gains?
05-13-2013, 08:44 PM
If your job is that physical, than you need to up your calories even more. With caloric surplus and a solid program, it's impossible not to gain weight. You might find you need 4500 to be in surplus.
Bro, we get guys in here all the time, 150 lbs and want to start running gear. For the most part, the guys here will discourage 'newbs' ( don't take that personal) from jumping in.
Here's an idea: if you're not gaining at 3500, eat normally and drink 1/2 gallon a day of 2% milk.
That's another 1200 cals.
You will gain weight...
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