[Milkman h]

Ok things have improved again today. Most of the pain had gone away. I just have the normal dull ache pains off and on from shut down. Libido is pretty much gone. Today's workout was good. Strength was up today on all lifts. Im going to try to bump back up to 40mg on Monday. My next question is why did I start to shut down so quick? I'm only on day 11 of havoc. The last time I had bloods done my test count was low. Could that contribute to early shut down? My plan was a 5 week cycle but I'm wondering if I should cut back to 4 weeks since I am shutting down so early?

[Milkman h]

Oh and thanks for the advise bro! But their aint no way I'm going to roll up into the gym with tighty whities on!

[stamp_on_kids]

When did you end your last cycle? Maybe your body is just super sensitive to hormone changes in your body. It would be interesting to know what your T levels are.

[Milkman h]

I have only done one other cycle years ago when I was young and dumb! My friend talked me into it. I don't even know what it was. It was an oral. I ran it for a month with no supports or pct. my libido was screwed up for months and back then i never knew why. I know stupid righ! Like I said young and dumb.
If I remember right my test level was 318 about 6 months ago. The doc said its low for my age (35) but not low enough to do TRT. This is what led me to this forum. After researching a while I decided to run this cycle. I expected shut down but never this early. How long could one be shut down to safely recover?

[liftstrong]

I have only done one other cycle years ago when I was young and dumb! My friend talked me into it. I don't even know what it was. It was an oral. I ran it for a month with no supports or pct. my libido was screwed up for months and back then i never knew why. I know stupid righ! Like I said young and dumb.
If I remember right my test level was 318 about 6 months ago. The doc said its low for my age (35) but not low enough to do TRT. This is what led me to this forum. After researching a while I decided to run this cycle. I expected shut down but never this early. How long could one be shut down to safely recover?

Rebound time varies with cycle length ad what you're running, longer the cycle is the longer you will be shutdown. With epi don't worry about it you shutdown so quickly because how fast orals work, lol schedule a doc appointment a few days into pct to get your blood checked again you will be low enough for TRT.

[bigbb123]

What you are experiancing is normal. Its the leydig cells shutting down from no lh signal. It will happen intermittently. When you go on pct and your balls start to come back to size they will hurt again. All very normal . Stick to between 20 to 30 dont go above that, not worth it imo

[Milkman h]

I took your advise and stuck with 30mg after a weekend off. Had an amazing workout yesterday! Only problem now is when I got to work tonight at midnight I took my first dose of 10mg. An hour later I got a nose bleed and got really light headed while driving. I immediately pulled over for a few minutes. I haven't been paying attention to blood pressure because its usually rock solid. This is one issue I didn't think I would have. I'm going to check it later today after work. I'm going to hold off on my next dose. Anything I can do to keep bp down?

[Milkman h]

Oh and I am taking cycle assist 4 caps 3 times a day and drinking a ton of water.

[bigbb123]

I took your advise and stuck with 30mg after a weekend off. Had an amazing workout yesterday! Only problem now is when I got to work tonight at midnight I took my first dose of 10mg. An hour later I got a nose bleed and got really light headed while driving. I immediately pulled over for a few minutes. I haven't been paying attention to blood pressure because its usually rock solid. This is one issue I didn't think I would have. I'm going to check it later today after work. I'm going to hold off on my next dose. Anything I can do to keep bp down?

Thats odd, the compound you are taking is not particularly androgenic or known to cause massive increases in bp. You deff want to be on some support supps such as milk thistle for your liver and hawthorne for bp. I am no expert on blood pressure however, i recommended you see your doc and dial it down to 20 mg like i said in my other post. Slow and steady wins the race.

[Milkman h]

I'm taking cycle assist which has both of those in it. And I'm taking an extra dose already. I'm on week 2 day 2. Figures I'm now feeling the strength and another problem pops up! Sucks.

[Milkman h]

Would it help to take my cycle assist along with the epi? I have been taking it 3 hours later.

[Milkman h]

BP is 141/59 and that's 10 hours after last epi dose.

[FranARG]

Good bro! What where your gains? Sides?I am on epi right now, started 9 days ago, and so far no sides, and gain 4.5lb, and look leaner.

[FranARG]

I am doing 40mg a day

[EatLiftGrow]

BP is 141/59 and that's 10 hours after last epi dose.

I would monitor closely from now on.... You are on the high side of moderate blood pressure values and like someone said earlier epi isn't really something that should have a big effect on blood pressure. Although everyone is different so just be careful and cover your bases

[bigbb123]

I would monitor closely from now on.... You are on the high side of moderate blood pressure values and like someone said earlier epi isn't really something that should have a big effect on blood pressure. Although everyone is different so just be careful and cover your bases

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