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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Igf1 and growth hormone. Clomid lowers these. There doesn't need to be a study to confirm you need these 2 for muscle growth. There's a reason you only take serms long enough to recover and don't do cycles. The people on trt who take clomid need it for several reasons. Namingly the ability to have kids. Straight test injections aka steroids lower fertility. Clomid does not. Or some doctors like to try rebooting instead of injections which is good.
    Clomid helps do this.

    Test,growth hormone and igf1 are all important for muscle growth.
    My point is that it is shown to lower not stop production of IGF-1 so that means the body is still producing some is it enough to continue muscle growth with the elevated Testosterone levels....yes,no,maybe so I must disagree you need a study to say anything for certain. Anything less is pure conjecture but by no means is it a fact.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post

    My point is that it is shown to lower not stop production of IGF-1 so that means the body is still producing some is it enough to continue muscle growth with the elevated Testosterone levels....yes,no,maybe so I must disagree you need a study to say anything for certain. Anything less is pure conjecture but by no means is it a fact.

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    Interesting. I wont personally risk it though.
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  3. So then as for a restart cycle, what would this look like?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Interesting. I wont personally risk it though.
    I think that would be the smarter choice, I myself would try something like 6oxo or Erase for over the counter given what the OP stated his symptoms to be.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    google 6 oxo powder. it's still around.
    Yes it is, but given I am still waiting on my last order which was placed at the beginning of April I would not order from them again unless they make this really right....

  6. So some good reviews on the current 6 oxo powder out there now?

  7. As far as the finaflex supp goes, you like it best at 3 caps a day? For how many weeks and how many weeks off? What is the ideal way to dose, all at once, spkit up, am? You mentioned stacking with daa and i see its in there already.

    Maybe ill try this one out before trying the erase pro. Anyone have experience with both that can chime in?

    Howcome a product like 6 oxo and novedex can get banned, but ones such as this and erase arent?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    As far as the finaflex supp goes, you like it best at 3 caps a day? For how many weeks and how many weeks off? What is the ideal way to dose, all at once, spkit up, am? You mentioned stacking with daa and i see its in there already.


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    Maybe ill try this one out before trying the erase pro. Anyone have experience with both that can chime in?

    Howcome a product like 6 oxo and novedex can get banned, but ones such as this and erase arent?
    6oxo and ATD are not banned but the FDA claims ATD is a drug not a supplement so its hard to find and 6oxo was believed to contain minuscule amounts if androstendione so it was pulled for the safety of company selling it if I remember correctly.

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  9. I am definitely going to try the arimastane by fineflec after my current cycle of freetest.

    Anyone have dosing suggestions?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    I am definitely going to try the arimastane by fineflec after my current cycle of freetest.

    Anyone have dosing suggestions?
    Suggest to take 2 or 3 bedtime. On an empty stomage.

    6 to max 8 weeks....maybe a combo with someyhing like pure test(finaflex) or another daa type product.

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  11. Would it be a possibiluty to run a low dose of erase or revolution black for a longer period of time to help better control estrogen, as a type of staple supplement? Say 1 or 2 caps a day or every other?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    Would it be a possibiluty to run a low dose of erase or revolution black for a longer period of time to help better control estrogen, as a type of staple supplement? Say 1 or 2 caps a day or every other?
    I've never used revolution or erase more than 8 consecutive weeks without a 4 week break. I would guess they would start to lose effectiveness without a break.

  13. I was thinking that a low dose, long term, would just help to actively manage estro levels. But wanted to hear.some input on the neg sides that are possible. Maybe long term with a week break here and there may help to avoid loosing its kick

  14. Quote Originally Posted by srocco112 View Post
    I was thinking that a low dose, long term, would just help to actively manage estro levels. But wanted to hear.some input on the neg sides that are possible. Maybe long term with a week break here and there may help to avoid loosing its kick
    Might have a hard time finding someone with a first hand experience doing this. Search for a research study on arimastane. Might give you the details you are looking for.

    Edit: nothing came up for me on arimastane but I did find multiple articles citing different studies of "aromatase inhibition". While these studies are using stronger compounds like exemestane, anastrozole, etc it may give you some insight on long term use of an AI.

    Google "jcem". It's a journal of multiple clinical studies
  

  
 

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