First cycle what do you think?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post
    Ok, first, from someone who is on TRT at about 200/week, 250mg/week is basically just replacing the test you would have been making before it shut you down, maybe slightly higher but not enough to see a difference really. That is a TRT level dose. You will waste your money, time, and take risks with sides like infection and shutting down your HPTA just to do what your body was doing without... You should be looking at 400-500mg/week for your first cycle. Prop is stronger per mg so maybe 350 work for you while still being very low and safe getting your feet wet.

    So 100mg EOD is probably good to start if you're anxious about the effects, BUT it's not a pro hormone or designer steroid, your body already runs on test and the freaky sides people get from orals are non-existent here. Nothing to be anxious about... I'm an anxious guy and can't hardly do even the mild PH/DS so I understand the anxiety, but test is nice. No comparison

    Var. I don't know. I have always been happy with very low doses with orals but I have never used var and don't know what you'd be happy with. I just know I'd run the Test at a reasonable dosage like 350-500mg and if you low-dose the var for a little bump, fine. You might like it that way.

    Nolva is also taken for 5 years straight by cancer patients so the sides listed in the warnings are at the extremes. Blood clots are my only fear there and I take 81mg aspirin before bed daily while on it and stop worrying.

    Good luck
    This was very informative thank u for that some real user info... I am freaked out about the nolva sides lol specially blood clots they freak me out bc they can take u out any second thats my anxious side too.

    I will probably take ur advice and bump it up to 300mgs a week then thank u


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post
    My stats

    6ft
    220 Lbs
    10-11% BF
    31 yrs

    Training for about 10 years and have experience with SARMS and Transdermals. I know for sure that I am gyno prone so I have to keep Letro on hand and run a AI with this cycle. I still have a pebble behind my nipple from my last run with Transaderm/Osta but as soon as I jumped on Aromasin the mass decreased in size, but has not fully gone away. I was thinking of running the Letro at the beginning, but I will just see how it goes.

    Goal is to cut and lower BF % while increasing LBM. Here is what my cycle looks like:

    1-10 Test Prop 100mg EOD
    1-10 Aromasin 12.5 EOD
    3-12 Anavar 80mg ED
    3-12 N2Guard
    5-8 HCGenerate
    9-10 HCG 500 ius week
    11-12 HCG 1000 ius week

    PCT 13-16

    Clomid 25/25/25/25
    Aromasin 12.5 EOD
    Unleashed/Post Cycle
    Ostarine 25mg
    Wow thats a lot more than i had in mind... I am going for test prop, and var... Then run acg and then nolva for pct.... I have an AI on hand since i am also prone to gyno.... Ur cycle makes mine seem like im missing a lot
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  3. One more thing. As mentioned, do NOT use HCG as part of PCT. it should be used at low doses on cycle so that there isn't much testicular atrophy, and less recovery needed during PCT. But because it replaces LH, it will only stop you from recovering once the cycle is over

    Start HCG maybe 2-4 weeks into your cycle at just 250iu two times a week. Short ester test like prop, stop the HCG when you stop the test. Start your SERM and enjoy a quick recovery.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JPNJ84 View Post

    Wow thats a lot more than i had in mind... I am going for test prop, and var... Then run acg and then nolva for pct.... I have an AI on hand since i am also prone to gyno.... Ur cycle makes mine seem like im missing a lot
    You're not missing a lot. Some people like to load up on all the ancillaries.

    Cycle:
    Test
    AI
    HCG if used, 500iu wk

    PCT:
    SERM
    Suicidal AI if needed

    Aspirin on hand
    Drink lots of water
    Eat lots of protein

    Make sure you have a legit AI though, not bunk. It will ruin your day, lol

    I like aromasin (exemestane) because there is no estrogen rebound. but use a good source and know that it is g2g.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post

    You're not missing a lot. Some people like to load up on all the ancillaries.

    Cycle:
    Test
    AI
    HCG if used, 500iu wk

    PCT:
    SERM
    Suicidal AI if needed

    Aspirin on hand
    Drink lots of water
    Eat lots of protein

    Make sure you have a legit AI though, not bunk. It will ruin your day, lol

    I like aromasin (exemestane) because there is no estrogen rebound. but use a good source and know that it is g2g.
    I have a very reliable source even deals with a lot of the pro's.... I know a lot of ppl that use the persons aas and comes very highly recommended.... I was planning on using hcg throughout the cycle also not as the pct.... Aromasin ive heard of but idk about having access to it i know arimidex i have access too... I think the var will also help with sides possibly bc of the hardening effect it has
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  6. Arimidex on cycle as an AI should be great

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post
    Arimidex on cycle as an AI should be great
    Ok thanks for the advice i def appreciate it... I feel like a pu$$y and overly cautious but its how i am to have some kinda relaxation to my nerves... Im a daredevil but when it comes to taking meds/ph's/aas im extremely cautious idk y

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post
    My stats

    6ft
    220 Lbs
    10-11% BF
    31 yrs

    Training for about 10 years and have experience with SARMS and Transdermals. I know for sure that I am gyno prone so I have to keep Letro on hand and run a AI with this cycle. I still have a pebble behind my nipple from my last run with Transaderm/Osta but as soon as I jumped on Aromasin the mass decreased in size, but has not fully gone away. I was thinking of running the Letro at the beginning, but I will just see how it goes.

    Goal is to cut and lower BF % while increasing LBM. Here is what my cycle looks like:

    1-10 Test Prop 100mg EOD
    1-10 Aromasin 12.5 EOD
    3-12 Anavar 80mg ED
    3-12 N2Guard
    5-8 HCGenerate
    9-10 HCG 500 ius week
    11-12 HCG 1000 ius week

    PCT 13-16

    Clomid 25/25/25/25
    Aromasin 12.5 EOD
    Unleashed/Post Cycle
    Ostarine 25mg
    This is an exceptionally well laid out protocol. Go with this. Looks straight from A guy I follow on another board.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Sinister View Post

    This is an exceptionally well laid out protocol. Go with this. Looks straight from A guy I follow on another board.
    Haha. I also follow other boards. Its helpfull to get ideas from other pros. I had a little help for sure.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Sinister View Post

    This is an exceptionally well laid out protocol. Go with this. Looks straight from A guy I follow on another board.
    Sinister, if I have that mass under my nipple which is small, should I go with Letro at the beginning of the cycle or should just stay with the Aromasin?

    I started today and will keep you posted on my progress guys. Looking forward to this run.
    1cc of test prop and 12.5mg of Aromasin today.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by JPNJ84 View Post

    Ok thanks for the advice i def appreciate it... I feel like a pu$$y and overly cautious but its how i am to have some kinda relaxation to my nerves... Im a daredevil but when it comes to taking meds/ph's/aas im extremely cautious idk y
    Caution is not a bad thing! And with this community you should have resources to keep yourself safe. Stay cautious if that's what works for you.

    People ripped on me for my cycle layout when I wanted to run Hdrol at just 50mg daily. I didn't feel comfortable upping to 75 or 100 like everyone else was, but I did because everyone told me what I was doing was ridiculous and a waste. My BP went through the roof and I had a panic attack and racing heart for hours...

    Listen to your body and do it your own way, just take the information and experience of others to help you decide what your way is...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by rayjay View Post

    Caution is not a bad thing! And with this community you should have resources to keep yourself safe. Stay cautious if that's what works for you.

    People ripped on me for my cycle layout when I wanted to run Hdrol at just 50mg daily. I didn't feel comfortable upping to 75 or 100 like everyone else was, but I did because everyone told me what I was doing was ridiculous and a waste. My BP went through the roof and I had a panic attack and racing heart for hours...

    Listen to your body and do it your own way, just take the information and experience of others to help you decide what your way is...
    Yea im starting to see the support... Its awesome... And i always do what feels better for me

  13. Under what circumstances do you need to use caber? I don't have caber on hand and wanted to know if that is needed in a Prop/Var cycle. ??

  14. Im not familiar with caber to be honest man i have no plans in using it

  15. Anyone?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post
    Anyone?
    It is used for prolactin side effects

  17. Would that be needed for a cycle with test prop and var?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post
    Would that be needed for a cycle with test prop and var?
    Nope. It's for something like tren that converts to prolactin
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  19. Thanks man. Nothing worse then not being prepared for sides. .haha

  20. Wanted to know if there is a certain number of times or cc's you can shoot into one muscle group? I have been going EOD into glutes only, 1cc but I think I'm about to step up to 1.5 cc. Thoughts?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post
    Wanted to know if there is a certain number of times or cc's you can shoot into one muscle group? I have been going EOD into glutes only, 1cc but I think I'm about to step up to 1.5 cc. Thoughts?
    Different muscles can handle diff amounts. Bigger muscles like glutes, quads, etc can take a ton (I've heard of 5ml or more). Smaller muscles like delts, ventrogluts, etc are better with 3 or less. Very small groups like bis tris calves or pecs are only for small amts like 1-1.5max.

    As far as rotation there's really no set time. As you pin an area more and more you will build scar tissue which can e pretty painful to push through. I would t pin a muscle more then once every 3-4 days
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    Different muscles can handle diff amounts. Bigger muscles like glutes, quads, etc can take a ton (I've heard of 5ml or more). Smaller muscles like delts, ventrogluts, etc are better with 3 or less. Very small groups like bis tris calves or pecs are only for small amts like 1-1.5max.

    As far as rotation there's really no set time. As you pin an area more and more you will build scar tissue which can e pretty painful to push through. I would t pin a muscle more then once every 3-4 days
    Yeah that's what I'm doing now. I might try my quads. Just a little freaked out by it though. EOD works out to be 2x a week in the same muscle. Virgin muscle too. . ha ha. It's a little sore now

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post

    Yeah that's what I'm doing now. I might try my quads. Just a little freaked out by it though. EOD works out to be 2x a week in the same muscle. Virgin muscle too. . ha ha. It's a little sore now
    I'd say you def need to work in some other spots. Quads are by far the easiest. Ventrogluts are my personal favorite as its an area that's easy to get to and doesn't have any affect on anything if it gets sore. Delts are pretty easy as well.

    Check out spotinjections.com it's pretty much everyone's go to site for where to inject. Also something as simple as typing in "(insert muscle name) injection" on google or google images will give you loads of info.
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  24. I saw you said you had nolva on had because you are gyno so are you also gonna run it in pct?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    I'd say you def need to work in some other spots. Quads are by far the easiest. Ventrogluts are my personal favorite as its an area that's easy to get to and doesn't have any affect on anything if it gets sore. Delts are pretty easy as well.

    Check out spotinjections.com it's pretty much everyone's go to site for where to inject. Also something as simple as typing in "(insert muscle name) injection" on google or google images will give you loads of info.
    I'll check that out for sure.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post
    I saw you said you had nolva on had because you are gyno so are you also gonna run it in pct?
    Definitely not using Nolva in Pct.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post

    Definitely not using Nolva in Pct.
    Clomid is king IMO in pct

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post

    Clomid is king IMO in pct
    Agreed

  29. Quote Originally Posted by booneman77 View Post

    I'd say you def need to work in some other spots. Quads are by far the easiest. Ventrogluts are my personal favorite as its an area that's easy to get to and doesn't have any affect on anything if it gets sore. Delts are pretty easy as well.

    Check out spotinjections.com it's pretty much everyone's go to site for where to inject. Also something as simple as typing in "(insert muscle name) injection" on google or google images will give you loads of info.
    I'm going to look into the ventrogluts but seems like the location has to be right on the money.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Shrine View Post

    I'm going to look into the ventrogluts but seems like the location has to be right on the money.
    Quads is simple
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