1. I'll have to consult with those much wiser than I in order to explain what I want to say.

2. think your chasing down a pipe dream. your thinking should be like 350mg of trenadione will be similar to 240mg of tren ace. but it probably wont, d/t limited enzymes in the body. 4 weeks, with all that, if you find a dose you like and still can, make it a 6 weeker.
I'll be taking about 240 mg * 7 days = 1680 mg/week!! at 20% conversion rate that would be about 336 mg of free trenbolone (without ester), which equals about 370 mg of tren ace. In theory, that would be a plenty of tren.
I don't need to run it for 6 weeks as I'm just cutting for now and I wanna minimize shut down. If everything goes according to my plan, I'd be running 4 weeks bursts, then take 8 weeks off and start again.
Otherwise, I'll stick to tren ace
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3. Not saying it will be like tren inj. but your body does have more than enough enzymes to convert any dose of a PH you could reasonably consume. I would think the problem would come in the form of the steroid being metabolized in other ways before reacting with 17b-HSD.
I'm keeping that point in my mind especially with all the reports of holding water with trenavar, which shouldn't happen with tren

4. Originally Posted by fifo_thekid

I'll be taking about 240 mg * 7 days = 1680 mg/week!! at 20% conversion rate that would be about 336 mg of free trenbolone (without ester), which equals about 370 mg of tren ace. In theory, that would be a plenty of tren.
I don't need to run it for 6 weeks as I'm just cutting for now and I wanna minimize shut down. If everything goes according to my plan, I'd be running 4 weeks bursts, then take 8 weeks off and start again.
Otherwise, I'll stick to tren ace
Conversion rate? Who fed you that load of bull?

5. Originally Posted by fifo_thekid

I'll be taking about 240 mg * 7 days = 1680 mg/week!! at 20% conversion rate that would be about 336 mg of free trenbolone (without ester), which equals about 370 mg of tren ace. In theory, that would be a plenty of tren.
I don't need to run it for 6 weeks as I'm just cutting for now and I wanna minimize shut down. If everything goes according to my plan, I'd be running 4 weeks bursts, then take 8 weeks off and start again.
Otherwise, I'll stick to tren ace
Your plan may work, we'll see.
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6. I cant understand what do you want to say exactly!
You know that Trenavar converts to Trenbolone, right?
And you know that theres no way 100% of it is converted, right?
So theres a conversion rate: the percentage of the oral converted inside the body

7. Originally Posted by fifo_thekid
I cant understand what do you want to say exactly!
You know that Trenavar converts to Trenbolone, right?
And you know that theres no way 100% of it is converted, right?
So theres a conversion rate: the percentage of the oral converted inside the body

8. Originally Posted by nostrum420
your body does have more than enough enzymes to convert any dose of a PH you could reasonably consume. I would think the problem would come in the form of the steroid being metabolized in other ways before reacting with 17b-HSD.
This is very interesting. I was under the impression that 17b-HSD was the limiting factor. I'm currently taking 120mg divided into two 60mg doses and was concerned that this quantity may "over power" the enzyme.

I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on this compound.

9. Originally Posted by jerrysiii

This is very interesting. I was under the impression that 17b-HSD was the limiting factor. I'm currently taking 120mg divided into two 60mg doses and was concerned that this quantity may "over power" the enzyme.

I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on this compound.

Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
the enzyme availablity is finite but that does not mean megadosing wont work. If something like androstenedione is taken in large amounts much of it will survive liver first pass. but then it will continue to circulate until it is metabolized. Your body cant really excrete it in its parent form. So eventually it will convert to its various metabolites

mega dosing like that is probably best, if you can afford it.

10. Originally Posted by jerrysiii
This is very interesting. I was under the impression that 17b-HSD was the limiting factor. I'm currently taking 120mg divided into two 60mg doses and was concerned that this quantity may "over power" the enzyme.

I'd be interested to hear more about your thoughts on this compound.

What else would you like to know?

11. Originally Posted by nostrum420
What else would you like to know?
anything related to maximizing effectiveness. Jbryand101b's post is very helpful. Any concerns with very large oral doses of this compound that we may not have thought of?

12. you can take from that post that mega dosing dione pro hormones will most likely lead to the compound being in your system for a lot longer, but how long, is anybody's guess.

13. Originally Posted by jerrysiii
anything related to maximizing effectiveness. Jbryand101b's post is very helpful. Any concerns with very large oral doses of this compound that we may not have thought of?
I would say any of the standard tricks to maximizing the effectiveness of an unmethylated oral: take with food/oil, possibly grapefruit juice, quercetin, emulsifiers etc.

How effective any of that actually is IDK but I know people do it...

14. Originally Posted by fifo_thekid
I might start a mini-logI'm not so into details Now i'm into seriously transforming my body. So if high doses of Trenavar don't give me an effect comparable to Trenbolone, I'll trash it...
When are you beginning your cycle?

15. Originally Posted by jiggero
When are you beginning your cycle?
around 1st of June

16. Bumped my dose to 180mg (I'm using Celtic btw). Three 60mg doses.

What's the highest this has been run?

17. any difference

18. It's only been one day. Nothing immediate to report.

19. Originally Posted by jerrysiii
It's only been one day. Nothing immediate to report.
I'm curious as to the reasoning behind 3 double doses?

20. How're you doing it Tony? I'd do 3 or 4 prob if I was running it to keep my levels more stable, or a larger dose preworkout if one needed to be larger.

21. Originally Posted by Hyde
How're you doing it Tony? I'd do 3 or 4 prob if I was running it to keep my levels more stable, or a larger dose preworkout if one needed to be larger.
I do 4 doses with the one before workout by an hour or so being a double dose. I just like levels higher and more stable instead of swooping up and down. I feel like nonmethyl half-life is less so that's why

22. Originally Posted by tinytony
I'm curious as to the reasoning behind 3 double doses?
Mostly because its convenient. I take one dose in the morning, one pre-workou, and one at night. These may be "double" based on the label, but we really don't know what a truly effective dose may be.

Androstenedione was typically run at 300+ mg per day which ended up being similar to a low dose of test. Not sure if this would be relative to trenbolone-dione or not. I'd ask PA his thoughts, but I think he's getting tired of any questions related to ph conversion and especially comparisons to andro.

23. I'm about to reach my first week of this Wednesday and I love it. I don't think dosing it at a high rate will maximize the effect. If anything it would be a waste, more sides and more expensive. For high doses that are most effective, i've seen 120 at max. Anything over people just wanna kill themselves..I'm only dosing it right now at 60, but will probably bump up to 90 next 2 weeks, then if I can take the sides (and the price) I'll do 120 the last week. 5 days in and my strength gains ironically started hitting me today. I get into the gym like what the hell happened to me I'm like Zeus right now. Lifts jumped drastically and im now over-excited to see how this will take me. No real noticeable hypertrophy gains yet. Just strength. PM if you want more info. I am running this with a medial dose of Epistane (40mg currently)

24. Originally Posted by jiggero
Wondering about what? Do you have a rash also?

lol

25. Originally Posted by jiggero
Could be a lot of things. Could be his body just had a reaction to the trenavar, like when I'm around dogs and cats.lol
i'm also allergic to dogs and cats

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