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    Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post
    I'm going to run lgi epi for 6 weeks, can someone tell me what should be a better route.

    30/30/40/40/50/50

    Or

    40/40/40/40/40/40

    Please explain, thanks bros
    Go with the first one Most people don't feel anything until week 3 I didn't

    Or go 30/40/40/50/50/60

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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post

    seen ppl take HCGenerate to help... most natty test boosters + arginine should get some blood flow goin

    what exactly are you taking and for how long have you been taking it ?
    3rd week of epi2a3a @40mg. the problem is wanting it. i can get and keep an erection but just no desire whatsoever. these items u said would be ok to take on cycle?
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    i see ur reppin SD bro! cant wait to be back this summer

    now to your question
    ya they are fine on cycle... most people would use the HCGenerate for pct as a natural test booster along with DAA

    sometimes its all in ur head though too.. get focused on the weights/diet or ANALyzing the normally unimportant details of everyday life
    basically i get a similar feeling after a few low carb days!

    i didnt have your issue when i took epi though, i felt "alphamale" and confident most of the time but with work and school and training its not like i had much time for "gettin around"
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    yessir sd born and raised!! ill look into hcgenerate thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    check out examine.com brassaiopsis Glomerulata

    i wish DST said which AI was in their product (maybe im missing it though)

    looks like ppl are running at 3-4 a day for PCT... so if you feel that estro isnt too high you can start the DST in week 3 of pct, if you feel its a problem then start at 3 caps in week 1
    I guess I will decide then from how I feel and I will do blood work before cycle so I will be able to see if estrogen is high enough naturally
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    ya take a shot of test to ur slong
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    Should my last cycle workout be a day before the last dosage of PHs?
    Ow and other supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
    Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
    BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
    WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
    Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/25 fat (post workout)
    Slow release protein 40/25/10 (30min pre bedtime )
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    Quote Originally Posted by zpole View Post
    ya take a shot of test to ur slong
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    Yh I'll take a shot up in my |3
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    Should my last cycle workout be a day before the last dosage of PHs?
    Ow and other supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
    Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
    BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
    WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
    Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/25 fat (post workout)
    Slow release protein 40/25/10 (30min pre bedtime )
    25g fat post workout?? i personally try to keep fat minimal post workout and have some fats in my dinner (meal about 1.5hrs after workout)
    save the creatine for PCT to help maintain strength to retain gains and dont think you need to go up to 10g a day, but its cheap!
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    That's the final cycle thank you all from the bottom of my heart!.
    Pro hormone:
    Epistane dosage:30/30/30/40/40/40
    stano dosage: 600/800/800/800/1000/1000
    Cycle Support :
    AI Cycle Support 2.0
    taurine
    fish oil
    Multivitamin
    PCT:
    DAA dosage: 3g/day(whole 5weeks)
    PES ERASE : - / - /3 /3 /3 /2
    Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/10/10
    Anabolic designs liver milk 2/2/3/3/2


    supplements that I'm going to run through out the cycle:
    Creatine Monohydrate (5g off days 10g on days)
    BCAA lequid form (morning,pre-post/wo ,4th meal)
    WHEY Protein 35g (morning and 5th meal)
    Weight Gainer 70 protein/150 carbs/10 fat (post workout)
    Slow release protein 40/25/7 (30min pre bedtime )
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    I agree with slappy. You are nowhere near a plateau. I think you should work out naturally for a while and really reach your genetic potential. I'm like you, im skinny and it was always hard for me to put on weight. But with perfect dieting and strict training I went from 135lbs to 195lbs in 1.5 years because I did it perfect and was dedicated 24/7. I am considering a cycle of PH because I'm almost at my genetic limit. But once you run PH be ready to give up your natty gains. You wont be able to make gains naturally as easy after your run. And you have plenty of noob gains to go. I know I wont change your mind. You've already got one foot in. But just know what your getting into. I think if you were to do powerlifting and ate like 500grams of carbs a day in a fat calorie surplus, you would gain 5lbs a month anyway!

    PS. Save your creatine monohydrate for PCT. Your going to need all the help you can get in pct to try and keep those gains.

    PPS Sorry for being critical. You do have a good cycle planned out. Everything that I have researched is right in line with what you are doing and best of luck to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardEarned View Post
    I agree with slappy. You are nowhere near a plateau. I think you should work out naturally for a while and really reach your genetic potential. I'm like you, im skinny and it was always hard for me to put on weight. But with perfect dieting and strict training I went from 135lbs to 195lbs in 1.5 years because I did it perfect and was dedicated 24/7. I am considering a cycle of PH because I'm almost at my genetic limit. But once you run PH be ready to give up your natty gains. You wont be able to make gains naturally as easy after your run. And you have plenty of noob gains to go. I know I wont change your mind. You've already got one foot in. But just know what your getting into. I think if you were to do powerlifting and ate like 500grams of carbs a day in a fat calorie surplus, you would gain 5lbs a month anyway! PS. Save your creatine monohydrate for PCT. Your going to need all the help you can get in pct to try and keep those gains. PPS Sorry for being critical. You do have a good cycle planned out. Everything that I have researched is right in line with what you are doing and best of luck to you!
    I agree with most of what you said except for the part of giving up his natural gains.

    If pct is done properly then he would be back to normal test levels and maintain his natural gains.

    If he is beyond his "genetic limit" then he may revert back to where he started pre cycle.

    But some guys have better test levels AFTER doing a cycle and hitting pct properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    I agree with most of what you said except for the part of giving up his natural gains.

    If pct is done properly then he would be back to normal test levels and maintain his natural gains.

    If he is beyond his "genetic limit" then he may revert back to where he started pre cycle.

    But some guys have better test levels AFTER doing a cycle and hitting pct properly.
    you are right. If he recovers his natural test levels he should still be able to grow if he isn't beyond his genetic limit. However, it will still be harder to grow after a cycle even with your normal baseline test levels because some of the androgen receptors will be clogged up with the dead hormones from the cycle and unable to bind with your test. Basically you will be operating with fewer androgen receptors until the exogenous hormones are removed from the receptors (takes time), and the fewer androgen receptors there are binding with testosterone the weaker the anabolic action. Therefore it is tempting for someone to finish pct and jump on another cycle shortly after. If this happens several times in a row your receptor sites will all be clogged up with dead hormones. And even the steroid cycles get fancier and fancier they will have diminishing effects and results. At this point there is no way your natural testosterone alone will be enough to make you grow! Heck exotic steroid cycle stacks barely yield the gains of your first cycle that was just a moderate dose of testosterone.
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