First cycle ever with Epistane need help and advice

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  1. Do I really need an estrogen control?. The one I had for cycle support increases natural test too... So itsnot what I need I want a real estrogen blocker to avoid the increase of it during cycle...and I cannot find one that only blocks it..


  2. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    As I can see stano is one of the best choises out there. I'm thinking of running it from the beginning dosage: 300/450/450/450/450/450 what do you think?
    600/800/1000/1000/1000/1000 is what I will be dosing stano. I wouldn't bother going lower than 600.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by whaz View Post
    600/800/1000/1000/1000/1000 is what I will be dosing stano. I wouldn't bother going lower than 600.
    Well... what about toxicity? And if I reach now 1000 I would have to go beyond that in my next cycle I would rather keep it for a couple of days at 450 then 600 keep it like that for two weeks and then go 800.But I don't know about stano a lot so If you can explain your opinion I would be really greatfull.If not I guess I have to research even more.

  4. More is not always better

  5. I will be running stano at 800 the whole 6 weeks with my epistane. Stano won't be as toxic as it is not methylated.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    More is not always better
    That's what I'm thinking too.But everyone says that in stano higher dosage is fine.

  7. You just gotta see what works for you bud. 800 felt fantastic for me and I likely won't ever cycle without stano

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ChefJoey View Post
    You just gotta see what works for you bud. 800 felt fantastic for me and I likely won't ever cycle without stano
    (Test is best)

  9. Yeah but some people don't always have reliable sources hence the designer steroid approach

  10. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post
    Yeah but some people don't always have reliable sources hence the designer steroid approach
    Its actually just as easy. You would be suprised. just a little research.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    Well... what about toxicity? And if I reach now 1000 I would have to go beyond that in my next cycle I would rather keep it for a couple of days at 450 then 600 keep it like that for two weeks and then go 800.But I don't know about stano a lot so If you can explain your opinion I would be really greatfull.If not I guess I have to research even more.
    The toxicity is pretty much non existent, thsts the reason people use it stacked with methylated ph's and no you really wouldn't have to keep going up and up every cycle in the future. Its just my OPINION but you'd be wasting the stano under 600 mg. Stano is not a prohormone. Do a lot more research on it and other compounds that convert to dht. Youll be happy you did.

  12. If I only have enough pills of stano to run 1000 for two weeks (the rest of the cycle will be 800) which two weeks would be best to choose?

    edit: sorry for jacking

  13. I would say the last 2 weeks especially if ur ramping up ur epi dose

  14. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    Do I really need an estrogen control?. The one I had for cycle support increases natural test too... So itsnot what I need I want a real estrogen blocker to avoid the increase of it during cycle...and I cannot find one that only blocks it..
    I don't think you need an estrogen blocker when on epi as it can't be aromatized into estrogen. That's why companies claim it has anti estrogen properties. When I ran havoc I only used organ shield and cycle support. For pct I did nolva 20/20/10/10 and ran and AI (I used formestane) in reverse order, so ramping up the dose. I also took lean xtream starting on the second week. I kept getting gains throughout pct and thought it was an excellent cycle. Ending up weighing 165 and benching 330 because I was doing strict powerlifting training.

  15. My first cycle was Epi for 4 weeks 30/40/40/40

    Used OTC pct
    Kept most gains
    Great pumps, small strength increase (on core lifts mostly)
    Recovered quickly from workouts and my favorite part was the increased well being feeling

    Also was able to add extra sets to my working sets
    ie. if I did 4x8 before and was struggling, on epi I felt like my recovery was increased between sets and could add another working set

    Thinking ima do epi/stano/tren this summer (link in signature)... I know u already subbed in cooky1
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BigD61093 View Post

    I don't think you need an estrogen blocker when on epi as it can't be aromatized into estrogen. That's why companies claim it has anti estrogen properties. When I ran havoc I only used organ shield and cycle support. For pct I did nolva 20/20/10/10 and ran and AI (I used formestane) in reverse order, so ramping up the dose. I also took lean xtream starting on the second week. I kept getting gains throughout pct and thought it was an excellent cycle. Ending up weighing 165 and benching 330 because I was doing strict powerlifting training.
    Good advice on "reverse" order

    Tapering up the AI while tapering down the SERM
    ...
    Gonna do the same for my cycle but won't start the AI right away, want to keep some estro around so the body starts upping its endogenous production right???
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  17. Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post

    Good advice on "reverse" order

    Tapering up the AI while tapering down the SERM
    ...
    Gonna do the same for my cycle but won't start the AI right away, want to keep some estro around so the body starts upping its endogenous production right???
    Yea I hardly ever see people talking about tapering up the AI while reducing the SERM. I started my AI right with the SERM because I am already susceptible to estro sides and I just wanted zero chances of a rebound or anything. I was really happy with my cycle, but from your avatar it looks like you have nothing to worry about when talking about estro sides. I'm sure you can wait on your AI a week or so into the SERM and be safe.

  18. added stano at 600/800/800/800/1000/1000 any good cortisol blocker for pct?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    added stano at 600/800/800/800/1000/1000 any good cortisol blocker for pct?
    I used lean xtream as directed in pct and it seemed to work pretty well for me. It's a fat burner that works by blocking cortisol.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    Good advice on "reverse" order

    Tapering up the AI while tapering down the SERM
    ...
    Gonna do the same for my cycle but won't start the AI right away, want to keep some estro around so the body starts upping its endogenous production right???
    Great advice guys I will search more about the AI and SERM what about a 6 week pct example with the AI tampering up and SERM tapering down?. It would be really! appreciated

  21. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    added stano at 600/800/800/800/1000/1000 any good cortisol blocker for pct?
    Reduce Xt is my go to cortisol control for pct

  22. Any one have experience running clen with pct after epi/stano cycle? Good or bad? Just curious got some extra

  23. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post
    Any one have experience running clen with pct after epi/stano cycle? Good or bad? Just curious got some extra
    I see what you did there: P Epi and Tren Elite stack?

  24. Do you think my PCT is legit:
    IronMagLabs E-control-Rx
    Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10
    Anabolic designs liver milk
    SRS Reduce - XT after second week

    I think I'm gonna delete IML e-control and and add instead DS Triazole because I found its a solid AI

    DS Triazole dosage - / - /3 /4. /4. /4 /3
    Nolvadex dosage:, 20/20/20/10/10/10
    Anabolic designs liver milk
    SRS Reduce - XT after second week

  25. still dont think you need nolva that long... its high affinity for receptors has it working quickly.. maybe 20/20/10/10
    you can decide then if you need a 5th week

    also some will tell you to start the AI right away during PCT, but i say wait 2-3 weeks and *insert bro science here* have your body recognize the extra estro (thats not binding because of your nolva) and boost its own (endogenous) production of test...

    if you block estro (nolva) and kill estro (AI)... then it will be harder to get natty T levels back up
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  26. Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    still dont think you need nolva that long... its high affinity for receptors has it working quickly.. maybe 20/20/10/10
    you can decide then if you need a 5th week

    also some will tell you to start the AI right away during PCT, but i say wait 2-3 weeks and *insert bro science here* have your body recognize the extra estro (thats not binding because of your nolva) and boost its own (endogenous)oducion of test...

    if you block estro (nolva) and kill estro (AI)... then it will be harder to get natty T levels back up

    You mean something like that:
    DS Triazole dosage /- /-/ - /4/4/3
    Nolvadex dosage: / -/ 20/20/10/10

    or

    You mean something like that:
    DS Triazole dosage /-/ - /4/4/3
    Nolvadex dosage: 20/20/10/10

  27. Btw my nipples are puffy because I was fat when I was kid.. Its not gyno its fat tissue around the nipple ( I used to be 25% bf now I'm at 16%).Is this gonna make my nipples explode? (Talking about the 2 week period without AI)

  28. Quote Originally Posted by cookie1 View Post
    Btw my nipples are puffy because I was fat when I was kid.. Its not gyno its fat tissue around the nipple ( I used to be 25% bf now I'm at 16%).Is this gonna make my nipples explode? (Talking about the 2 week period without AI)

    thats what the nolvas for bud!

    easiest way to explain it is like a lock and key... nolva fills in the keyhole (receptors) so that the estro doesnt cause growth

    nolva itself is a weak estrogen but shows little (to no) activity at the breast receptors... meaning that extra estro floating around shouldnt be binding to create breast tissue, and your body will "see" that extra estrogen and boost up natural test production
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
  29. zpole
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    Epi is good stuff deff run it longer though. I'm on week 6 of my cycle and i'm going to continue until the 8 week mark. I've been running 40mg since week 3 and my blood work came back normal. Youll like it. You don't need Nolva though. It doesnt effect test levels and it doesnt convert to estrogen so no need.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by zpole View Post
    Epi is good stuff deff run it longer though. I'm on week 6 of my cycle and i'm going to continue until the 8 week mark. I've been running 40mg since week 3 and my blood work came back normal. Youll like it. You don't need Nolva though. It doesnt effect test levels and it doesnt convert to estrogen so no need.
    a SERM is always a good idea to have on hand.. if you want to do a OTC PCT, go ahead you should be fine when comin off Epi; however, its always better safe than sorry...

    google this " epistane is not mild steroid.com " and you will see a post of someone elses bloodwork...
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
  

  
 

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