Help me decide please - Sustanon or Test/ Deca or EQ

[rooney111]

Second cycle.
180lb, 5'6, 24yrs

First cycle test e, finished off with Tren a ed. So I'm quite used to ed pinning.
Used adex through cycle but towards the end started showing wee bit of gyno, used letro and it was fixed.

I learned that if I just use test e, I bloat up insane even if carbs in check as well as sodium.

Also prone to gyno. And also noticed hair loss, towards the end of 12 week cycle Tren's harsh sides kicked in and decided never to go on it again! But gained about 10lbs while losing fat and kept 8 lbs after PCT.

I'm after a cycle which aromatise least and least sides but still decent gains.

After a lot of literature and browsing through hundreds of threads, here is what I think-

1. Sustanon 250 or Test E ? Throughout cycle ( 1 - 12/14 weeks? )

2. Dbol 30mg ed Weeks 1 to 3 or 4?

3. Deca (300 - 400mg) or EQ ( 400- 500mg) ?

4. Add or replace any of the above with Winstrol or Masteron?

Please note that my diet is fairly good with a lot of chicken like a kg a day, controlled carbs and essential fats. I managed to lose fat while put on muscle on a caloric deficit on Test and Tren just so you know my training and diet is not too bad.

Could you please help me decide?

 

[rooney111]

I do understand Dbol could aromatise but hence why only 3 or 4 weeks to jump start the gains. I will be taking estrogen support right from start.

I have access to nolva, Clomid, letro, adex, cialis but no hcg at this point.

 

[hardwork25]

Test Instead of sus to keep your blood levels even. I'd run test deca and kickstart with dbol and finish with masteron.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[rooney111]

Thanks, any reasoning behind your choice?

 

[hardwork25]

Thanks, any reasoning behind your choice?

Because sus has both long and short esters you can't really keep blood levels consistent and stable and you "waste" the short esters if your not pinning enough.

Test deca and dbol is a classic bulk cyle. Get big and full including the water weight from the dbol and then finish with mast to harden and dry you up.

 

[hardwork25]

I love mast for its practically zero estrogenic side effects.

And as far as bloat or whatever try adex .5mg eod. I've never had test make me bloated , and I'm not by any means an expert so hopefully some other guys will chime in.

 

[usealittle]

If gyno prone you don't want sust unless your willing to pin eod to keep levels even.

 

[swollz]

I ran sust/tren blend and ill tell ya what I know about tren and progesterone deal but ain't nothing more scary than that flared gland under nimple!!! Lmfao. But I've heard and knew a guy that got nasty gyno from sust and had to have them cut out... Make sure your anti e is on deck! Good luck.

 

[rooney111]

Sweet, Sustanon 250 is out of question then, thanks guys.

What about deca vs EQ?

Test deca dbol
Or
Test eq dbol?

 

[hardwork25]

Sweet, Sustanon 250 is out of question then, thanks guys.

What about deca vs EQ?

Test deca dbol
Or
Test eq dbol?

EQ needs to be ran for 16+ weeks.

 

[rooney111]

Yup thanks but other than that, Deca or EQ?

I was thinking gram for gram Deca is stronger, which means EQ need to be run higher, is that a bad thing? I mean eq is mild but running on higher dosage than Deca, does it cancel out the "mild" sides and make it as androgenic as Deca?

 

[AnabolicHolic]

Test+Deca+Dbol (+ AI or it will suck) = Magic formula. For me personally, test always helps me burn fat and/or recomp (regardless of calorie count), Deca puts muscle on me, and Dbol puts "weight on" quickly of course. So using them in concert usually results in no fat gain, fat loss, muscle gain and overall clean and lean weight gain. I use SD in place of Dbol now because A) I have an assload of it B) it was easy and legal to obtain C) it does not require a heavy duty AI dosage. You can't go wrong with this combo, Period end of story. EQ is super nice for vascularity though...esp with winny. Veins coming out of your ears that would be a nice (separate) recomp or cut cycle actually...probably (again) with test. You dont need to cram all these things into one cycle....its a marathon not a sprint....just use what works well together towards a specific goal.

 

[rooney111]

Thanks!
I'm almost decided on Test E.

Still little torn between deca and eq.
Only thing stopping from going Deca is because I keep reading it's highly androgenic, or at least way more sides than Eq.

I understand its not a sprint, this is my second cycle and hopefully last and I'd like to make it count, since from experience I learned I'm easily gyno and hair loss prone, hence why ruled out Tren A.

I've got access to Masteron, Winstrol and some AIs etc, if I go with Dbol, Test and Deca, what would you do to minimise excess bloat, aromatisation of dbol and strong sides of Deca?

I do understand that water retention is in fact beneficial for recovery but I just want to get wee bit bloated and not turn into a balloon like last time I did just test . I had carbs and sodium in check but still got excess water retention. As soon as I introduced Tren A ed 70mg the water went away and started putting on weight while losing fat, but I'd like to be I the safe side, I'm 24 and I've read about permanent damage to hpta systems etc.

Thanks for all the replies, I'm reading heaps of books and past cycle logs on forums but it's nice to ask and get advice first hand. Everyone is different and what works for one may not work for the other.

 

[AnabolicHolic]

I would go with caber for the deca, and Adex for the test (this is what I prefer, but everybody has their favorite AI's and/or prolactin control). You can go cookie cutter dosage for both, or just add them in and adjust as you go. The AI Should mitigate the bloat problem you have though....no doubt, esp since your sodium/diet was on point. Had to be excess estrogen. Don't be afraid of the deca at 3-400mg per week, You'll be fine. Its no tren....I HATE tren and would never use it again, but I love deca to death. Its not such a holy terror as you seem to have been led to believe You can also run the mast or winny at the end of your cycle like the other fellow mentioned earlier....that will only help with the tightening up and help with the bloat.