PCT for MDHT?

[Bas4Lizzife]

My buddy's running some methyl-jacked solo. I understand it is not very suppressive, but PCT still seems like a good idea. What would be a good pct? I'm thinking conservatively dosed nolva for 3-4 weeks

 

[Mr.50]

In my experience it depends on the dose. For the most part if it is MDHT alone you should be fine with a light PCT. I feel that you should always do some PCT just how much is the question.

Mr.50

 

[RobInKuwait]

My buddy's running some methyl-jacked solo. I understand it is not very suppressive, but PCT still seems like a good idea. What would be a good pct? I'm thinking conservatively dosed nolva for 3-4 weeks

What kind of results is he getting running it solo? Any unpleasant sides?

 

[Bas4Lizzife]

What kind of results is he getting running it solo? Any unpleasant sides?

he's only been on for a few weeks and i havent talked to him in about a week but it sounded like he liked it so far. i'll get more details when he gets back in town after christmas

 

[RobInKuwait]

he's only been on for a few weeks and i havent talked to him in about a week but it sounded like he liked it so far. i'll get more details when he gets back in town after christmas

Cool, I'd like to hear the details. What we don't know about this compound could fill a book and hes the first person I've heard about running it solo so it'll be interesting to hear the results.

 

[Bas4Lizzife]

Cool, I'd like to hear the details. What we don't know about this compound could fill a book and hes the first person I've heard about running it solo so it'll be interesting to hear the results.

He won't be able to tell you a whole lot about its physique altering characteristics. He is in more of a trial period to see how it helps his athletic training so that we can figure out how to best incorporate it in a cycle as his season approaches (looking for CNS stimulation and strength gains). Still, there may be some observations of interest to us here (I know i'm curious, as i have hella powder sittin on my shelf)

 

[Mr.50]

I used it for about a month solo at about 5-mgs a day and I thought it was great. No sides really except that I was slightly irritable. Sex drive went up. Definate increase in muscle hardness and vascularity. Strength and lbm remained the same on a cutter with low cal/low carb and no weith training just sport specific exercise. Anyway, the only thing to keep in mind is that I am a bit unusual in that I am a really great responder compared to most.


Mr.50

 

[RobInKuwait]

I used it for about a month solo at about 5-mgs a day

That must be a typo. I'm sure you meant 50mg ED:blink:.

 

[Mr.50]

Yep RobINKuwaityou go it. It was a typo. 50mgs a day for about a month. I also followed it up with a pretty irresponsible cycle that you can probably find on a few posts here. It was the greatest cutter I ever did (for only two weeks) but, like I said, pretty irresponsible. Luckily all blood work appears to be in order.


Mr.50

 

[jinkillkill]

I see how methyl pro-steroids would detract away from natural production but how does dht reduce natty production?

I sya this because I would like to take m-dht recreationally once a week or so

thanx

 

[RobInKuwait]

I see how methyl pro-steroids would detract away from natural production but how does dht reduce natty production?

I sya this because I would like to take m-dht recreationally once a week or so

thanx

Not sure....what dose would you take? I assume you mean that you want to use it for the sexual boost. It'll beat the hell out of viagra! I'm like the energizer bunny on it!

 

[jinkillkill]

nice one Rob, you know Ill keep to caffeine-
whats the point of looking sliced up if I look like a bold 13 yr old.

 

[Rogue Drone]

I see how methyl pro-steroids would detract away from natural production but how does dht reduce natty production?

I sya this because I would like to take m-dht recreationally once a week or so

thanx

Both Estrogen and DHT inhibit Luetinizing Hormone (LH) and gonadotropin hormone-releasing hormone (GnRH), Estrogen does it faster. The path for test production is GnRHto LHRH to LH to Leydig Cell in the testes for test production, inhibiting any step in the path will decrease natty test production.

DHT suppresses LH, but slower than E, because by DHT suppressing E the negative feedback of E on the Hypothalmus in producing GnRH is lessened. This is how Nolva and 6-oxo work, decreasing E's negative effect on Hypothalumus GnRH, which creates more LH output by the Pituitary.


Here's a good basic Par Deus Article on the HPTA, SERMS and HCG

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par31.htm


Long-term transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy: effects on pituitary gonadal axis and plasma lipoproteins.

Vermeulen A, Deslypere JP.

In order to investigate whether dihydrotestosterone (DHT) alone has an inhibiting effect on pituitary luteinizing hormone (LH) secretion, and whether this natural androgen has any effect on plasma lipids when administered transdermally, dihydrotestosterone was applied for 3 mth in a daily dose of 125 or 250 mg in gel form for transdermal absorption (Andractim) to elderly males with relatively low plasma testosterone levels. The results clearly show that DHT inhibits LH secretion, as plasma LH levels were decreased, although testosterone, free testosterone, estradiol and free estradiol levels were decreased. Regarding plasma lipid levels, DHT administration for 3 mth resulted in a moderate decrease in plasma cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein (LDL) levels, and a slight decrease in high-density lipoprotein (HDL)-cholesterol levels, the HDL/TLC ratio remaining constant. This suggests that percutaneous DHT administration is a relatively safe modality of androgen replacement therapy as far as atherogenicity is concerned.

PMID: 3935902 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Mr.50]

Interesting study; and while I don't doubt that DHT (and MDHT) suppresses natural test production to some degree, in personal experience it appears to do so slower (as stated) then other ps/ph I have used. Additionally, at least while it may decrease natural test it at least replaces the androgenic component of male hormones so that "functioning" is usually maintained or improved.


I think the results of the study would also be more reliable if they were performed with a younger population which did not already have altered HPTA function due to age. The study notes that the population already had relativly decresed Test levels.



Mr.50

 

[jinkillkill]

Thank you Rogue,
Thats all I needed to know.
Par deus is the man.

 

[jinkillkill]

ONe question,
hardly anyone uses clomid for p.h PCT due to it apparently makes people more moody then nolva.
But I brought clomid for a mdht(week 1 and 2), m1t, m5aa(week 3 and 4), m40hn, m-dien, clen, t3, mystery chem X on a carb cycle cut(I want to have pretty boy abs)
would it be good to use? or just always go with nolva?

 

[Mr.50]

I tink Clomid is better then Nolva for PCT as far a regenerating your nuts. It may not block peripheral estrogen as well for cuts. So I would say Clomid is fine for the PCT, but during your cycle use Nolva or an anti-aromatase (i.e. Arimidex, 6-oxo, formestane, ect.)


Mr.50

 

[jinkillkill]

ok

Thank you Mr.50,

I have both, for safety
but im running m5aa and mdht(not at the same time) so im sure this would counter any estrogen formations.

ewwwwww:gyno

 

[dg806]

Nolva has been proven to be superior to clomid and it doesn't have the side effects like eye sight problems with clomid(and that is irreversible).