Oral only cycles vs prohormones
- 04-05-2013, 11:57 PM
Halodrol is often thought as a PROHORMONE since it is believed to convert to OT (Oral Turinabol) but the amount that actually converts is pretty low (most likely around 3%-5% or even as high as low teens possibly). Most of halodrols anabolic and androgenic activity comes from the unconverted 3-ol interacting with the androgen receptor and not the conversion (if any). So this makes halodrol a steroid.
Now as for Halodrol vs OT this will vary as there are all sorts of outside factors that can and will affect the results of a cycle. That said, anecdotally halodrol seems to be the better choice
As for PH vs Orals.. the conversation is just silly. Outside of the DHEA products most orals exert an effect in the unconverted state thus making them steroids and not really prohormones. So what the discussion needs to be is steroid vs steroid and in which case you would have to compare specific steroids such as halodrol vs OT. Problem with this, as noted above, it will be quite difficult to quantify what your results will be. Your best bet is to browse the various forums and look for peoples logs for anecdotal evidence of efficiency.PESCIENCE.COM
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- 04-06-2013, 12:00 AM
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04-06-2013, 12:13 AM
Legit D-Bol works. It is the grand-daddy of orals (even I have done it). Most elite level bodybuilders have used it at some point in their career. If I was your age and was going to use an oral only i would go w/ the old reliable if u can source a legit product. The better option is to find an aggressive HRT clinic, they will give u pretty much whatever u need (has to be one that services a bodybuilder client base). In addition to test, they'll write u a script for Deca and even GH. U can't get tren though (home brewing is an option).
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I think a lot of us here are higher caliber athletes then those as we spend huge amount of time to do what we love. And like u said maybe elite is a little much, sorry for tooting my own horn lol
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Any ways guys, back to the thread...
Does anybody have any feedback on superdrol vs epistane? And what is the diff between superdrol and halodrol? Thanks guys!!
04-07-2013, 12:57 PM
Some of you are ****ing retarded. Most AAS contribute better gains with less sides than any PH.
OP, like you I never understood this debate either other than the fact of legal reasons AAS will beat out PHs almost everytime. I hate seeing people get on any boards really and bash people wanting to run a dbol only/winny only/or var only cycle but will turn around and happily assist those wanting to run sd/pmag/epi cycles, or even worst help them run a stack of PHs. I honestly don't understand it, google "dbol only cycle" and click on really any of the threads you see and look at how badly it's shot down. And then forums have stickys about "how to run your 1st hdrol cycle". I think dbol beats out hdrol 10/10times but it has a bad rep because morons will run it without PCT. Most of the info about oral only cycles is just parroted around because people either think it makes them look smart or just simply lack of research because they heard it on the forums...ugh I'm done
04-07-2013, 01:56 PM
There is no reason to run an oral only cycle if you can pin testosterone.
People that run HDrol (or epi, or....) don't generally have access to testosterone, which is why there is a difference.
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04-07-2013, 03:02 PM
I understand the legalities behind injectables but that's the price to pay for real deal gear
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04-07-2013, 05:11 PM
of course it's personal opinion, just like yours above
How could you ask a thread question without having personal opinion? Are you looking for scientific studies comparing orals to injectables?
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04-07-2013, 08:34 PM
Regardless it comes down to your goals, you may get bigger gains with dbol compared to hdrol, but those bigger gains are coming with bigger sides. I always thought dbol only cycles were hated on cause guys would get huge and strong but wouldn't keep the gains which makes it pretty much worthless in the long run. It's like why gain 20 pounds and keep 5 when you could run hdrol, gain 9 and still keep 5.
04-07-2013, 08:39 PM
04-07-2013, 08:57 PM
And again this is what needs to be discussed because some people say more side effects with ph some say more with aas, so I guess it just really depends on our bodies and if u spa cycle properly or not
04-07-2013, 09:19 PM
04-08-2013, 05:05 PM
I am going to chime in if I may. I have used both pins and pills and believe that pins are better suited for long lasting gains due to the users ability to do 12-16 week cycles on average. Can you imagine if you used SD for 16 weeks? No thank you. Orals do have their place though there are some that are quick reacting work well as a kick start to longer pin cycles. Or if you just want a quick gain they can work like NOs in a car. What it boils down to is what you want out of it. I would say 98% of guys in the gym will never compete and 85% will never get what they want out of the gym because they dont have a plan, their dedication sucks, and their diet is awful 335 days out of the year. I have had successful runs of a variety of different compounds because these chemicals do nothing more than enhance what you are already doing. Look at the 70s east German Olympic team (Oral Turinabol) they were their nations Elite Athletes made better by chemistry. Or you can read the hundreds of people’s threads crying for help because they sat on their ass and just hoped that a chemical will make them huge. Anabolics of any kind are there to give us a helping hand, some call it cheating but if it get you to where you want to be do it, because lets face it self improvement is just another form of masturbation. We do it for self gratification. My brain hurts after all that thinking im’a take a nap now I have brained too much for one sitting
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