Oral only cycles vs prohormones

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Ignorance is bliss, or so they say.

    You do realize there is more to lifting than just bodybuilding right?

    Being stronger for example....
    Does getting bigger mean you're getting stronger? I've been doing GVT for 3 weeks now and my arms and chest have blown up as compared to when I was using heavy sets. Though I haven't checked if my strength increased but I doubt it would increase from volume training.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by JRam View Post
    I guess the question is, What are your goals? Do u want to look like a "bodybuilder"? At your height, you'd have to be about 250 pounds with 8 percent bodyfat to look somewhat like a competitive bodybuilder. No oral cycle, whether D-Bol or any DS/PH, will ever get u there. So why bother? U may look bigger than the average dude but u wont have that real jacked bodybuilder look.If u want to walk around and have people think you're a bodybuilder you're going to have to take test, tren & possibly GH, year round. Are u ready for that type of hormonal commitment? Probably not. So just stay natty, workout to stay healthy, and work w/ what you've got.
    Thanks for the feedback broski!

    My goals are simple, I don't wanna an overly gorilla looking guy. If u read my first post I have come along way with good mind set of eating and lifting.

    Steroids to me Are fun to talk about. What they can do interests me. I'm sure there are plenty of people that agree with me that it is just interesting to talk about. I may never touch one, I might do them next week, either way I respect the science and conversation of them.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    You do realize their are weight classes in bodybuilding right?
    Of course I realize that. But there's a look to a bodybuilder. Guys 5'10" and above need to be a certain weight to look like a bodybuilder. Natty bodybuilders who are 6'0" tall and cut to 180 for a show don't look like bodybuilders to the general public. They look like triathletes. Walk into any hardcore gym (if u can find one), guys who are as tall as the OP, and looked jacked, are at least 250 pounds.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JRam View Post
    Of course I realize that. But there's a look to a bodybuilder. Guys 5'10" and above need to be a certain weight to look like a bodybuilder. Natty bodybuilders who are 6'0" tall and cut to 180 for a show don't look like bodybuilders to the general public. They look like triathletes. Walk into any hardcore gym (if u can find one), guys who are as tall as the OP, and looked jacked, are at least 250 pounds.
    I am 6'1" and weigh about 200 and I feel jacked, but that maybe because I know I work hard and eat clean and my bf isn't prolly all that high.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    Ignorance is bliss, or so they say.

    You do realize there is more to lifting than just bodybuilding right?

    Being stronger for example....
    yes, I know that. I'm not into powerlifting, weightlifting, or strongman sports though. However, everybody who's anybody in those events is on the same type of hormonal regimen as a competitive bodybuilder, and it's a lot more than orals or silly PHs.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post

    Also I'm still waiting for a response regarding the turinabol vs halo argument, anybody with knowledge?


    Halodrol is often thought as a PROHORMONE since it is believed to convert to OT (Oral Turinabol) but the amount that actually converts is pretty low (most likely around 3%-5% or even as high as low teens possibly). Most of halodrols anabolic and androgenic activity comes from the unconverted 3-ol interacting with the androgen receptor and not the conversion (if any). So this makes halodrol a steroid.

    Now as for Halodrol vs OT this will vary as there are all sorts of outside factors that can and will affect the results of a cycle. That said, anecdotally halodrol seems to be the better choice

    As for PH vs Orals.. the conversation is just silly. Outside of the DHEA products most orals exert an effect in the unconverted state thus making them steroids and not really prohormones. So what the discussion needs to be is steroid vs steroid and in which case you would have to compare specific steroids such as halodrol vs OT. Problem with this, as noted above, it will be quite difficult to quantify what your results will be. Your best bet is to browse the various forums and look for peoples logs for anecdotal evidence of efficiency.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post
    I am 6'1" and weigh about 200 and I feel jacked, but that maybe because I know I work hard and eat clean and my bf isn't prolly all that high.
    W/ all due respect go to a national (maybe even regional) NPC show and stand next to the guys your height (there won't be many - bodybuilding is a short man's sport). You won't feel jacked.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post

    Halodrol is often thought as a PROHORMONE since it is believed to convert to OT (Oral Turinabol) but the amount that actually converts is pretty low (most likely around 3%-5% or even as high as low teens possibly). Most of halodrols anabolic and androgenic activity comes from the unconverted 3-ol interacting with the androgen receptor and not the conversion (if any). So this makes halodrol a steroid.

    Now as for Halodrol vs OT this will vary as there are all sorts of outside factors that can and will affect the results of a cycle. That said, anecdotally halodrol seems to be the better choice

    As for PH vs Orals.. the conversation is just silly. Outside of the DHEA products most orals exert an effect in the unconverted state thus making them steroids and not really prohormones. So what the discussion needs to be is steroid vs steroid and in which case you would have to compare specific steroids such as halodrol vs OT. Problem with this, as noted above, it will be quite difficult to quantify what your results will be. Your best bet is to browse the various forums and look for peoples logs for anecdotal evidence of efficiency.
    So basically it is over the counter steroid vs illegal steroids

    Thanks for ur input do u have any cycle results urself?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JRam View Post

    W/ all due respect go to a national (maybe even regional) NPC show and stand next to the guys your height (there won't be many - bodybuilding is a short man's sport). You won't feel jacked.
    I'm sure I wouldn't, I would be in awe of there appearance to care though. I just want to be the best me there is and like I stated before I'm not a profesionl body builder but would consider myself an elite athlete.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by EatMoar View Post

    Does getting bigger mean you're getting stronger? I've been doing GVT for 3 weeks now and my arms and chest have blown up as compared to when I was using heavy sets. Though I haven't checked if my strength increased but I doubt it would increase from volume training.
    No, although a bigger muscle does have the POTENTIAL to be a stronger muscle.

    I wouldn't expect much of a strength increase from GVT. But, you can expect dramatic progress when you start training for strength again (if ever).

  11. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post

    I'm sure I wouldn't, I would be in awe of there appearance to care though. I just want to be the best me there is and like I stated before I'm not a profesionl body builder but would consider myself an elite athlete.
    An elite athlete?

    You in the Olympics bro? NFL maybe?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    An elite athlete?

    You in the Olympics bro? NFL maybe?
    Lol I wish, maybe elite is a little over the top, but I work hard with what I got, I'm sure you work hard, so that puts us in a different category then others man.

    I don't know if that was meant to be disrespectful or what, but I'm not here for that

  13. Legit D-Bol works. It is the grand-daddy of orals (even I have done it). Most elite level bodybuilders have used it at some point in their career. If I was your age and was going to use an oral only i would go w/ the old reliable if u can source a legit product. The better option is to find an aggressive HRT clinic, they will give u pretty much whatever u need (has to be one that services a bodybuilder client base). In addition to test, they'll write u a script for Deca and even GH. U can't get tren though (home brewing is an option).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post

    Lol I wish, maybe elite is a little over the top, but I work hard with what I got, I'm sure you work hard, so that puts us in a different category then others man.

    I don't know if that was meant to be disrespectful or what, but I'm not here for that
    Not overly disrespectful, no.

    Just a healthy dose of reality brother. I won't ever consider myself an elite athlete, I'll wait until someone else does it.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by JRam View Post
    Legit D-Bol works. It is the grand-daddy of orals (even I have done it). Most elite level bodybuilders have used it at some point in their career. If I was your age and was going to use an oral only i would go w/ the old reliable if u can source a legit product. The better option is to find an aggressive HRT clinic, they will give u pretty much whatever u need (has to be one that services a bodybuilder client base). In addition to test, they'll write u a script for Deca and even GH. U can't get tren though (home brewing is an option).
    I'm assuming they will give u what u want also means that they are grandly over priced for their services as well

    I guess if u can afford it that's the way to go, thanks for the note !

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    No, although a bigger muscle does have the POTENTIAL to be a stronger muscle.

    I wouldn't expect much of a strength increase from GVT. But, you can expect dramatic progress when you start training for strength again (if ever).
    I'm only running gvt to switch it up. I usually mix strength with volume. I find it to be a good combination .

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post

    Not overly disrespectful, no.

    Just a healthy dose of reality brother. I won't ever consider myself an elite athlete, I'll wait until someone else does it.
    I understand, but I consider an athlete someone who runs or plays on a softball league on the weekends.

    I think a lot of us here are higher caliber athletes then those as we spend huge amount of time to do what we love. And like u said maybe elite is a little much, sorry for tooting my own horn lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post

    I understand, but I consider an athlete someone who runs or plays on a softball league on the weekends.

    I think a lot of us here are higher caliber athletes then those as we spend huge amount of time to do what we love. And like u said maybe elite is a little much, sorry for tooting my own horn lol
    An elite athlete is someone who dominates their sport. Not someone who is a little more jacked than the usual gym goer. And someone who plays softball?? C'mon man, athlete?? Negative. Some are former athletes but most are just apart of a beer league reliving old glory days of high school baseball. When you make big bucks to compete in the sport you love, then you are an competitive athlete.... When you are the best at the sport you get paid the big bucks to compete in, then sir, you are an elite athlete. I own a BP record in my former state but.... Unpaid for my gear.... I paid for spot in competition... I paid my gym dues each month, my supplement tab etc etc. when all that is paid for me, and I'm breakin records again maybe next year..... Then I will feel like a competitive athlete. When I press 600lbs, I may feel elite. So.... Prob never.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post
    An elite athlete is someone who dominates their sport. Not someone who is a little more jacked than the usual gym goer. And someone who plays softball?? C'mon man, athlete?? Negative. Some are former athletes but most are just apart of a beer league reliving old glory days of high school baseball. When you make big bucks to compete in the sport you love, then you are an competitive athlete.... When you are the best at the sport you get paid the big bucks to compete in, then sir, you are an elite athlete. I own a BP record in my former state but.... Unpaid for my gear.... I paid for spot in competition... I paid my gym dues each month, my supplement tab etc etc. when all that is paid for me, and I'm breakin records again maybe next year..... Then I will feel like a competitive athlete. When I press 600lbs, I may feel elite. So.... Prob never.
    You own a Blood Pressure record in your state?! Dude holy crap you must've been cycling test a,b,c,d,prop,snop,****,cop/tren/sphen/len/dbol all at once to get that record! Give the OP your secretes to success!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by StayinHeavy View Post

    An elite athlete is someone who dominates their sport. Not someone who is a little more jacked than the usual gym goer. And someone who plays softball?? C'mon man, athlete?? Negative. Some are former athletes but most are just apart of a beer league reliving old glory days of high school baseball. When you make big bucks to compete in the sport you love, then you are an competitive athlete.... When you are the best at the sport you get paid the big bucks to compete in, then sir, you are an elite athlete. I own a BP record in my former state but.... Unpaid for my gear.... I paid for spot in competition... I paid my gym dues each month, my supplement tab etc etc. when all that is paid for me, and I'm breakin records again maybe next year..... Then I will feel like a competitive athlete. When I press 600lbs, I may feel elite. So.... Prob never.
    Like I said stayin, maybe elite is a little much, I get it geez lol

  21. Any ways guys, back to the thread...


    Does anybody have any feedback on superdrol vs epistane? And what is the diff between superdrol and halodrol? Thanks guys!!

  22. Some of you are ****ing retarded. Most AAS contribute better gains with less sides than any PH.

    OP, like you I never understood this debate either other than the fact of legal reasons AAS will beat out PHs almost everytime. I hate seeing people get on any boards really and bash people wanting to run a dbol only/winny only/or var only cycle but will turn around and happily assist those wanting to run sd/pmag/epi cycles, or even worst help them run a stack of PHs. I honestly don't understand it, google "dbol only cycle" and click on really any of the threads you see and look at how badly it's shot down. And then forums have stickys about "how to run your 1st hdrol cycle". I think dbol beats out hdrol 10/10times but it has a bad rep because morons will run it without PCT. Most of the info about oral only cycles is just parroted around because people either think it makes them look smart or just simply lack of research because they heard it on the forums...ugh I'm done

    /rant

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin_C View Post
    Some of you are ****ing retarded. Most AAS contribute better gains with less sides than any PH.

    OP, like you I never understood this debate either other than the fact of legal reasons AAS will beat out PHs almost everytime. I hate seeing people get on any boards really and bash people wanting to run a dbol only/winny only/or var only cycle but will turn around and happily assist those wanting to run sd/pmag/epi cycles, or even worst help them run a stack of PHs. I honestly don't understand it, google "dbol only cycle" and click on really any of the threads you see and look at how badly it's shot down. And then forums have stickys about "how to run your 1st hdrol cycle". I think dbol beats out hdrol 10/10times but it has a bad rep because morons will run it without PCT. Most of the info about oral only cycles is just parroted around because people either think it makes them look smart or just simply lack of research because they heard it on the forums...ugh I'm done

    /rant
    The major difference is because if someone has access to dbol they have access to test.

    There is no reason to run an oral only cycle if you can pin testosterone.

    People that run HDrol (or epi, or....) don't generally have access to testosterone, which is why there is a difference.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin_C View Post
    Some of you are ****ing retarded. Most AAS contribute better gains with less sides than any PH.

    OP, like you I never understood this debate either other than the fact of legal reasons AAS will beat out PHs almost everytime. I hate seeing people get on any boards really and bash people wanting to run a dbol only/winny only/or var only cycle but will turn around and happily assist those wanting to run sd/pmag/epi cycles, or even worst help them run a stack of PHs. I honestly don't understand it, google "dbol only cycle" and click on really any of the threads you see and look at how badly it's shot down. And then forums have stickys about "how to run your 1st hdrol cycle". I think dbol beats out hdrol 10/10times but it has a bad rep because morons will run it without PCT. Most of the info about oral only cycles is just parroted around because people either think it makes them look smart or just simply lack of research because they heard it on the forums...ugh I'm done

    /rant
    So in ur opinion ph are a waste of everyone's time unless u cannot obtain illegal gear ??

  25. Quote Originally Posted by gkulek View Post

    So in ur opinion ph are a waste of everyone's time unless u cannot obtain illegal gear ??
    PH is not worth it. I did 2x but I never understood the point of taxing the liver so much, shutting down your natural test production, gaining a bunch of strength, then losing most of it.
    I understand the legalities behind injectables but that's the price to pay for real deal gear
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