SD, Celtic labs celti tren, stano cycle

[SpotmeyungLad]

20/20/20/20 sd
0/90/90/120/120/120 celtic tren
600/600/600/600/600/600 stano

Of course support supps...
I'm looking to bulk in a couple months from now.
Tell me about your opinions to this cycle
And also would research chem liquid clomid suffice for my serm?

 

[OnionKnight]

that looks new, havnt seen an sd tren bridge yet. make sure you get all the precaution ancillaries, like an ai and prolactin control like inhibit p or caber just incase you need it

 

[SpotmeyungLad]

what looks new, the celti tren?(newproduct) or the stack

 

[OnionKnight]

the stack

 

[fueledpassion]

From my experience, an AI keeps the prolactin and gyno issues at bay. Keep the estrogen in check. You really don't need a dopamine agonist if you keep the estro in check.

Clomid would be good.

A good PCT would look like this:

Clomid 50/50/50/50
DAA 3g/3g/3g/3g
6-Bromo 100mg/100/100/100 (or Formestane or Arimidex or whatever you prefer)
Toco-8
Multi-Vitamins

To make it even better, you could add peptides like GHRP's to keep the gains coming.

 

[Wilko]

From my experience, an AI keeps the prolactin and gyno issues at bay. Keep the estrogen in check. You really don't need a dopamine agonist if you keep the estro in check.

I may be misunderstanding your statement, but isn't an AI - aromatase inhibitor - intended to stifle the action of the aromatase enzyme to prevent estrogen levels from growing too high and causing issues? Or, more specifically I suppose, aren't prolactin and estrogen entirely separate hormones requiring separate methods of inhibition?

 

[TheThickMick]

I may be misunderstanding your statement, but isn't an AI - aromatase inhibitor - intended to stifle the action of the aromatase enzyme to prevent estrogen levels from growing too high and causing issues? Or, more specifically I suppose, aren't prolactin and estrogen entirely separate hormones requiring separate methods of inhibition?

Estro n prolactin have a direct relationship on each others levels. Kinda butchering this explanation but if estro goes up prolactin can follow suit.

 

[Wilko]

Well. Damn. I have research to do. Thanks much.

 

[OnionKnight]

Estro n prolactin have a direct relationship on each others levels. Kinda butchering this explanation but if estro goes up prolactin can follow suit.

doesnt work this way when superdrol is involved. sd throws everything out of wack

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/pro-hormone-natural-steroids-steroid-alternatives/157075-beastdrol-superdrol-prolactin-faq.html

to simplify it a litte, SD uses prolactin as a transporter which causes sikesin prolactin. but it doesnt aromatise, so estrogen stays relatively low. low estrogen + high prolactin = leaky titties prolactin gyno

 

[Wilko]

Given your past experience, would you suggest that superdrol's prolactin issues are substantial enough to warrant direct prolactin inhibition? And, if so, are we talking Inhibit-P or a full Caber-level assault?

 

[fueledpassion]

Given your past experience, would you suggest that superdrol's prolactin issues are substantial enough to warrant direct prolactin inhibition? And, if so, are we talking Inhibit-P or a full Caber-level assault?

I'm not gonna get into the details again as Seth Roberts has already exhausted this subject years ago but I will say from first hand experience that keeping estrogen at bay will knock out any itchy, burning, lumpy nipples. I have yet to experience ANY discharge related to prolactin trouble. I have experimented with dopamine agonists with no success and have resorted to Arimidex for the solution every time.

I currently am running SD for a third time over the past several years and I'm telling you the stuff doesn't aromatize. However, running it with Tren you MIGHT have some goofy things happening with hormones but nothing will happen prolactin wise if you keep estrogen low.

This is what Seth Roberts claimed in his research is that "Prolactin-related gyno" cannot exist without high estrogen levels. You must have high estro levels to have gyno or lumps in the nipples. As far as disharging goes, I have yet to see this happen to me.

If you want even greater detail, you can study the relationship that Prolactin has with Dopamine and the relationship between Dopamine and T3.

Tren and 19-NOR's in general really suppress T3 levels. This lowering of T3 levels also lower dopamine levels considerably and thus increases prolactin levels substantially due to their inverse relationships.

Run 25mcg of T3 every day and have an AI on hand and this will solve your problems. I ran the real Tren for 12 weeks before and have tried various methods to get the nipples under control. That suggestion above is what worked.

Dopamine agonists carry lots of side effects - the most notable one being nausea.

 

[Hyde]

Bumped my prami from .5mg to .7 yesterday morning. Boy did that spoil my Easter dinner. I was sick as a dog all day. No puking but boy I was on my ass all day.

 

[Bodock]

Bumped my prami from .5mg to .7 yesterday morning. Boy did that spoil my Easter dinner. I was sick as a dog all day. No puking but boy I was on my ass all day.

Yeah that sux. I would like to avoid the caber and prami myself if possible.

 

[TruthWalker]

Posted this in another thread, but since its relevant I will repost here.

I'll just say this...I ran:

SD 20/20/20/20/20/20
Tren 90/90/105/105/105/105
Stano 1k/1k/1k/1k/1k/1k

along with cycle support, extra NAC, milk thistle, 12.5mg exemestane ED and .5mg Caber EoD

I originally only planned to run the SD for 4 weeks, but was having such amazing results I just ran it for the last 2 as well. I realized it was a risk, but knowing my body and how I respond to SD it was one I was willing to take, and it paid off, although I probably wouldn't do it again. I am definitely not suggesting anyone run SD for 6 weeks at 20mg, but i got way better results than I was expecting; it was the best cycle Ive ever done. Strength went through the roof, gained 10lbs and lost 2% BF. ran torem at 120/90/60/30 and Erase 0/0/3/3/3/3 for PCT, kept all my gains. I kept calories right at maintenance and my diet was spot on, as was my training.

The only negative sides I got were night sweats and increased sweating and body temp from the tren. (I used LGI T-var). Got bloodwork done 4 weeks after PCT and all my levels were in the normal range. Obviously I am waiting another 6 weeks to start my next cycle to be safe, however, my next cycle will be a bulker and I will be running

SD: 30/30/30/30/0/0 <---notice, only 4 weeks
Tren: 60/90/90/90/90/90
Stano: 800/800/800/800/800/800

along with all previous support supps and ancillaries. Will be eating 500-750 calories over maintenance. Inhibit-p did not cut it for me which is why i went to caber. Your cycle looks good to me man and as long as your diet and training are in check you should have some fantastic results. good luck!

Disclaimer: These are very advanced PH cycles and should not be used by anyone without extensive previous cycle experience and who knows how their body reacts to these compounds, and if at all possible bloodwork should be done before starting your cycle and within a month after finishing PCT.

 

[nostrum420]

Yeah that sux. I would like to avoid the caber and prami myself if possible.

Maybe just some velvet bean in the morning; though I personally enjoy caber... skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet...