HDROL SDROL LIVER FAILURE

[Livingdeadguy]

Hey guys,

I am hoping this thread will serve as a warning to young bodybuilders not to use pro-hormones. Also, I am hoping to hear from some experienced pro-hormone users about their quality of life after having done many cycles of hormones such as hdrol and sdrol.

I personally have tried a slew of different prohormones. PPLEX, ALPHA-ONE, SDROL, HDROL, D-ZINE, EPISTANE and a few unmethylated prohormones such as androbulk, furuza-a and m-lmg. I kept my cycles short, used support supps, and never did two cycles in a short period of time. I always took a couple months off at least between cycles. Also, I tried to use the methylated prohormones in low doses for short periods of time. I experienced pretty good results with each cycle. However, I started to notice a decline in my health, and pains in my liver area during some of the harsher cycles. I never drank alcohol, but I did smoke a lot of marijuana all the time and abused pre-workout powder and adderall at times. I also used sarms-s4 a few times at doses between 50-150 mg a day.

So anyways, at some point last year I decided that I was never going to use a prohormone ever again because I was scared they were killing me. Quite some time passed and I was still getting terrible cramps and pains in what a I perceived to be my liver area. I went to my Dr. and he told me these were normal and just stemmed from the muscle. He suggested I drink salt water, or gatorade while I worked out and that seemed to alleviate the pain. I felt so relieved that there was a cure for my liver pain and decided it was definitely nothing too serious. That's when I decided to run a hdrol cycle at 100 mg stacked with 100 mg sarms a day for 5 weeks. The cramps and pains were horrible during workouts but I just kept drinking salt water and it seemed to minimize the pains. By the end of the cycle the pains and cramps were so severe I could no longer workout. I came to the horrifying realization that my liver was failing. I went in to get bloodwork and sure enough I had elevated liver enzymes, and a few other abnormalities that would indicate liver failure.

I am still very young and obviously never even fathomed having any health problems and already I am dealing with a failing liver. I am so concerned now that it consumes me, and it is very rare for me to go a few minutes not thinking about or researching about liver failure. I now take zero supplements, eat as healthy as I possibly can, have changed my workout routine to promote health, and do everything I can think of to try to reverse the damage. My liver enzymes have come down, and the doctors do not take me seriously, I saw a liver specialist and she insisted that I was going to be fine. But I still worry all day every day that I may be close to death. Seeing how little the doctors can do to diagnose and treat liver damage/failure was truly horrifying for me, as I had always trusted that if anything went awyr they would be able to help me. I cannot stress how far from the truth this is. You will be extremely lucky to receive any medical treatment, much less helpful medical treatment when it comes to liver failure.

I want my experience to serve as a warning to anyone considering using these deadly chemicals. Granted, most people are more responsible with their cycles, I still think even one cycle can do permanent damage to the liver and take years off of your life. I wallow in regret and pray to God every day that I do not die of liver failure.​

 

[vidapreta]

Almost everyone has elevated liver enzymes during a methylated cycle.. You didn't have liver failure.

 

[SPS]

Don't abuse steroids, got it, thanks

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Almost everyone has elevated liver enzymes during a methylated cycle.. You didn't have liver failure.

I believe permanent damage may very well have been done to my liver. It has been months since my last cycle and I still experience a severe dull pain in the uppder right quadrant of my abdomen at times when exercising. I'm going in to get bloodwork done again tomorrow. I hope you're right, but only time will tell.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Don't abuse steroids, got it, thanks

No, that is not my point. My point was not to use prohormones at all. Injectable test is much easier on your body, not that I would ever take it, but I think that a lot of the younger guys out there using these prohormones are sure that they are harmless when taken in the proper doses for the right amount of time.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Don't abuse steroids, got it, thanks

No, that is not my point. My point was not to use prohormones at all. Injectable test is much easier on your body, not that I would ever take it, but I think that a lot of the younger guys out there using these prohormones are sure that they are harmless when taken in the proper doses for the right amount of time.

sometimes it is an eye opener for people to hear these kinds of things from the perspective of someone who is dealing it with themselves. Like I said I am very young, and know a lot of guys my age are using these "supplements" in ways that they think are safe and responsible. Again, my point is that there is no responsible way to use them. They are poison and will kill you, and seeing as you can only run them for a few weeks, its nearly impossible to make and maintain any significant gains (as if they would even be worth the health risks)

 

[JoeySon]

You just listed at least 8 steroids...and you even describe yourself as "very young". I really wonder why you're having health issues

Edit: You also admitt to abusing prescription drugs...I'm not judging you at all man but it's pretty obvious why you're having problems with your body

 

[Livingdeadguy]

You just listed at least 8 steroids...and you even describe yourself as "very young". I really wonder why you're having health issues

Edit: You also admitt to abusing prescription drugs...I'm not judging you at all man but it's pretty obvious why you're having problems with your body

By abusing adderall I just meant that I used it without a prescription. Not like I used it daily or in high doses. I am trying to be honest about the other things I have taken but I think the obvious cause of the problems are the prohormones. Like I said, I never ever drink so aside from the prohormones I think I abuse my body just about the same amount as your average prohormone user.

 

[JoeySon]

By abusing adderall I just meant that I used it without a prescription. Not like I used it daily or in high doses. I am trying to be honest about the other things I have taken but I think the obvious cause of the problems are the prohormones. Like I said, I never ever drink so aside from the prohormones I think I abuse my body just about the same amount as your average prohormone user.

Even if you forget the Addedal, taking 8 Prohormones/Designer steroids being "very young" is not what I would consider an average prohormone user. So you're right, it probably is the prohormones.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Even if you forget the Addedal, taking 8 Prohormones/Designer steroids being "very young" is not what I would consider an average prohormone user. So you're right, it probably is the prohormones.

It was over the course of 3 years with breaks between each cycle, and most of the cycles were pretty mild. Several of the harsher ones I cut short after only doing 1/4 - 1/2 of the bottle. Also, I didn't really do any pct, as i was told that serms and inhibitors were toxic as well, and in most cases not necessary for 4 week ph cycles. If you're arguing that there is a safe way to use these prohormones, you're wrong. That's all I'm saying because the main reason I took this stuff is because people on forums like this said if you knew what you were doing you could safely take h-drol s-drol etc. I really didn't use the methylated ones all that much, I almost always opted for the ones that claimed not to be hepatotoxic. Such as sarms s4.. they are all very toxic imho.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

I admit I didn't know much about the prohormones I was taking, but I definitely researched these forums a lot, and they seemed to encourage the use of such "supplements". If I have to worry that I'm going to die soon from my prohormone use, you'd have to imagine that the "average prohormone user" wouldn't be too far off from where I'm at.

 

[da_tank55]

Also, I didn't really do any pct, as i was told that serms and inhibitors were toxic as well, and in most cases not necessary for 4 week ph cycles.

I feel sorry for your balls
(no homo)

 

[Livingdeadguy]

I feel sorry for your balls
(no homo)

I don't care what any of you think, but I don't have gyno and my balls aren't shrunken at all.. My concern is for my liver and all of your livers as well. Oral anabolics are a terrible idea. I am literally consumed by regret over having taken them and I have no other significant problems or regrets in my life.

 

[OnionKnight]

-abuses drugs
-2months between cycles. thats barely enough time for pct
-8 cycles over 3 years.
-pot head
-young
-no pct's at all

youre probly a combination of paranoid and stupid, or youre a troll. or maybe a paranoid stupid troll? if this is real' youre problems are due to youre lifestyle of making stupid decisions. not the prohormones themselves. you might as well of made a thread about flaming aspirin because it ****ed your kidneys up after chugging down a bottle a week for 4 months.

 

[whaz]

No pct, no serms, no AI's, I'm assuming no supps to protect your liver either. The message that I receive and try to send is that - Prohormones can be detrimental to your health. That's why I, and others, do everything we can to minimize the risks involved. Therefore having relatively "safe" cycles. I have researched my ass off, and taken everything I deemed necessary to stay safe, allowed abundant amounts of time between to allow my body to return to homeostasis. I have never had any negative issues other than occasional raised blood pressure and my bloodwork pre and post cycle confirms this. Sounds like the only message you took from the forums was "Steroids are safe! I'm gonna eat as many as I can and not worry about a thing!" You are introducing exogenous hormones into your body, of course it's gonna be more dangerous than eating a sandwich. However, when the proper steps are taken the rewards greatly outweigh the risks, at least in my experience. Some people learn the hard way I guess. Hope things work out for you.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

No pct, no serms, no AI's, I'm assuming no supps to protect your liver either. The message that I receive and try to send is that - Prohormones can be detrimental to your health. That's why I, and others, do everything we can to minimize the risks involved. Therefore having relatively "safe" cycles. I have researched my ass off, and taken everything I deemed necessary to stay safe, allowed abundant amounts of time between to allow my body to return to homeostasis. I have never had any negative issues other than occasional raised blood pressure and my bloodwork pre and post cycle confirms this. Sounds like the only message you took from the forums was "Steroids are safe! I'm gonna eat as many as I can and not worry about a thing!" You are introducing exogenous hormones into your body, of course it's gonna be more dangerous than eating a sandwich. However, when the proper steps are taken the rewards greatly outweigh the risks, at least in my experience. Some people learn the hard way I guess. Hope things work out for you.

When I used superdrol and pplex I used raloxifene and letrozole, but perhaps not for as long as I should have. With the milder prohormones such as the non-methylated ones I felt pct was unneccessary. A lot of people would agree with this, but I could be wrong about it. I definitely don't regret not ingesting more chemicals I didn't need to ingest. As for support supps I took cycle assist as well TUDCA and always make sure to get my EFA's.

I really don't think i am that stupid, and my decision making doesn't strike me as much worse than most people's. i don't think one has to be stupid at all to go down the road I went, after all they sell these things legally here in the U.S. I have turned things around and will never use anabolics or any drugs I don't have to ever again. I research ways to improve my health tirelessly, this tells me I really am not that stupid. I am horrified that I made the mistake of taking oral anabolics and regret anything I have ever done to even slightly harm my body. All I hope to achieve is to get at least one of you to not use oral anabolics, or at least maybe gain some reassurance that I will be okay.

 

[StayinHeavy]

-abuses drugs
-2months between cycles. thats barely enough time for pct
-8 cycles over 3 years.
-pot head
-young
-no pct's at all

youre probly a combination of paranoid and stupid, or youre a troll. or maybe a paranoid stupid troll? if this is real' youre problems are due to youre lifestyle of making stupid decisions. not the prohormones themselves. you might as well of made a thread about flaming aspirin because it ****ed your kidneys up after chugging down a bottle a week for 4 months.

^ this. 100% exactly what needed to be said. How old are you anyways? If this is true, you're the reason these compounds get banned. Idiotic kids who can't take the time to research and educate themselves, rather look for shortcuts in attempt to wear shmedium tshirts & act tough in high school.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

^ this. 100% exactly what needed to be said. How old are you anyways? If this is true, you're the reason these compounds get banned. Idiotic kids who can't take the time to research and educate themselves, rather look for shortcuts in attempt to wear shmedium tshirts & act tough in high school.

Wow dude.. I spent countless hours researching this **** and took months off between cycles. Clearly my pct wasn't too bad because I retained my gains after each cycle. Even today I am 205 lbs at just under 5' 10'' with roughly 10% bf. The fact is these things can literally do permanent damage to your liver even just from one "safe" cycle. just becase you think you're good to go because you know about milk thistle doesn't mean you should promote the use of this filth. There is no use for "supplements" like sdrol and hdrol and if i am the reason that they are being banned then I say GOOD! I am proud to have been the one to save all of you from killing yourselves. if you must know I'm older than 21 and didnt use prohormones until after I had graduated high school.

 

[StayinHeavy]

You're just the worlds savior from steroids aren't you? Pat yourself on the back, and stop maybe idiotic posts. Everything you say is so contradicting it is f@cking ridiculous and I'm not gonna feed the troll any longer. You act like youre on your death bed, looking for a liver transplant, while on dialysis. YOU ran 9 cycles in three years, YOU supposedly did your research, YOU didn't believe in a SERM, YOU bought these supps OTC and with all the research didn't find it wasn't smart to run cycles for 3 years straight?? (Cycle+PCT+time off all count towards one cycle) and YOU are an idiotic POS who should just leave the forum and take your BS somewhere else. You're no longer addicted to steroids, go back to your other great life choice. Poppin addies and smoking tons of weed.

 

[StayinHeavy]

And don't blame a manufacture/ company or the actual product for your idiotic mistake. An 18-19 year old kid should have the common sense to look up the product before taking, read the warning labels associated with the product and understand what they are doing. You are that .0001% of the population that all the well thought out, extensive warning labels are written for to protect from lawsuits because you are so damn ignorant.

 

[Lhns2]

You say you never did serms and pct then you did. You say countless hours... bro hours aren't enough granted there is only so much information you can obtain about certain things. You gotta know how the body works before you even think about hormone usage. You have done a lot of cycles. And running 100mg of halo with 100mg of sarms seriously? What did you expect from months off?

You took cycle support and ds thinking you know but you certainly do not know about them. Neither of them are magic. They are harsh and the key word to cycle support or liver support is SUPPORT. It's like having crutches and thinking they will magically walk you around and getting mad they don't... Then telling us crutches are evil and will make us fall flat on our faces. User failure, the product did its job.

You we're not wise with your decisions. From your posts, the drugs, no pct, etc. you have shown you didn't respect your bodies limitations. Your diet was not even supported to keep your body alkaline so it could have a chance to do it's job.

You failed your body, your body didn't fail you. That's just the end of it.

 

[Lhns2]

And you know what kid, I'm in med school and the fact that you said you would be lucky to get medical treatment just pisses me off... maybe tell your doctor about all your usage. People like you make me so mad. I get telling your doctor about anything like that is intimidating but you basically drop that feeling when you think your liver is failing. If the hepatologist thinks there is nothing to worry about then stop complaining. They're specialists for a reason.

If you get yellow skin, then start complaining. But by then it might be too late. The upside is when the embalming fluid makes you the color of a watermelon. As you can tell I do not like you.

 

[lucky04]

-abuses drugs
-2months between cycles. thats barely enough time for pct
-8 cycles over 3 years.
-pot head
-young
-no pct's at all

youre probly a combination of paranoid and stupid, or youre a troll. or maybe a paranoid stupid troll? if this is real' youre problems are due to youre lifestyle of making stupid decisions. not the prohormones themselves. you might as well of made a thread about flaming aspirin because it ****ed your kidneys up after chugging down a bottle a week for 4 months.

^^ This, plus the fact that both a doctor and specialist, who both ran blood tests, says he's fine, however he can "FEEL" that he's in liver failure...This has to be troll thread.

gg troll, gg.

 

[Vitus]

Youre the ****ing epitome of an incredibly naive stupid **** who ruins **** for the rest of us... goddamn stupid ****ing hippie. stick to smoking weed.. "after all, they sell them legally" so why dont you go drink some mouthwash and eat a car battery?! Those are legal duuuuude. And I dont even care but you know what? 205 @ 10% BF, show us the pics hippie..

 

[Ginandtonic]

A liver specialist said you are fine and you have had multiple blood workups done?

What's the problem again? You should stick to zumba bro

 

[Killler]

Livingdeadguy troll,you did not have liver failure!

Pho`sure!

Almost everyone`s enzymes are elevated after a course of methyls!


btw smoking pot all the time? You certainly don`t qualify to give advice to healthy young athletes.


Although I personally am against methyls.

 

[Bad Company]

Adderall is hell on your liver as well. You may want to delete this thread because your getting raped

 

[jbryand101b]

Hey guys,

I am hoping this thread will serve as a warning to young bodybuilders not to use pro-hormones. Also, I am hoping to hear from some experienced pro-hormone users about their quality of life after having done many cycles of hormones such as hdrol and sdrol.

I personally have tried a slew of different prohormones. PPLEX, ALPHA-ONE, SDROL, HDROL, D-ZINE, EPISTANE and a few unmethylated prohormones such as androbulk, furuza-a and m-lmg. I kept my cycles short, used support supps, and never did two cycles in a short period of time. I always took a couple months off at least between cycles. Also, I tried to use the methylated prohormones in low doses for short periods of time. I experienced pretty good results with each cycle. However, I started to notice a decline in my health, and pains in my liver area during some of the harsher cycles. I never drank alcohol, but I did smoke a lot of marijuana all the time and abused pre-workout powder and adderall at times. I also used sarms-s4 a few times at doses between 50-150 mg a day.

So anyways, at some point last year I decided that I was never going to use a prohormone ever again because I was scared they were killing me. Quite some time passed and I was still getting terrible cramps and pains in what a I perceived to be my liver area. I went to my Dr. and he told me these were normal and just stemmed from the muscle. He suggested I drink salt water, or gatorade while I worked out and that seemed to alleviate the pain. I felt so relieved that there was a cure for my liver pain and decided it was definitely nothing too serious. That's when I decided to run a hdrol cycle at 100 mg stacked with 100 mg sarms a day for 5 weeks. The cramps and pains were horrible during workouts but I just kept drinking salt water and it seemed to minimize the pains. By the end of the cycle the pains and cramps were so severe I could no longer workout. I came to the horrifying realization that my liver was failing. I went in to get bloodwork and sure enough I had elevated liver enzymes, and a few other abnormalities that would indicate liver failure.

I am still very young and obviously never even fathomed having any health problems and already I am dealing with a failing liver. I am so concerned now that it consumes me, and it is very rare for me to go a few minutes not thinking about or researching about liver failure. I now take zero supplements, eat as healthy as I possibly can, have changed my workout routine to promote health, and do everything I can think of to try to reverse the damage. My liver enzymes have come down, and the doctors do not take me seriously, I saw a liver specialist and she insisted that I was going to be fine. But I still worry all day every day that I may be close to death. Seeing how little the doctors can do to diagnose and treat liver damage/failure was truly horrifying for me, as I had always trusted that if anything went awyr they would be able to help me. I cannot stress how far from the truth this is. You will be extremely lucky to receive any medical treatment, much less helpful medical treatment when it comes to liver failure.

I want my experience to serve as a warning to anyone considering using these deadly chemicals. Granted, most people are more responsible with their cycles, I still think even one cycle can do permanent damage to the liver and take years off of your life. I wallow in regret and pray to God every day that I do not die of liver failure.

I attribute this to poor genetics

 

[Philshred]

So much win in this thread

 

[CaptnCaveman]

I attribute this to poor genetics

I attribute this to natural selection.

 

[Logman]

OP, sorry to tell you but you are going to be dead by the end of the year. I've done years of research and it all points to you being in the ground really soon.

Nice research you did. Concerned about your liver and didn't even get a blood test done, just drank salt water. Salt ****ing water. Yea, okay, totally believe you. Still, sorry to hear of your impending death.

 

[Hyde]

Hey OP you think I can get by with tribulus for pct with my upcoming sdrol/pplex/dbol/anadrol/dzine/msten/halotestin 16-week stack soon? Or you think I should add milk thistle too? I really wanna be safe with this one.

I'm sorry. I just really wanted to troll too after I opened your thread.

 

[herderdude]

Subbed

 

[R-Mac]

Title of the thread should be BRAIN FAILURE

 

[DYEL89]

This has to be a joke. "I kept all of my gains, so my PCT must not have been too bad." What PCT? You said no serm was used, and you sometimes never did a PCT of any kind. Weed, adderal, and attention-seeking are not a good PCT.

 

[TomGreen]

wait are your balls supposed to come back after a cycle.....its been 6 months after my cycle and i still have raisins. should i be concerned?

 

[timmytime13]

This guy sounds like he forgot to take his xanex and is a paranoid hippie. m o t h e r f u c k e r

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Youre the ****ing epitome of an incredibly naive stupid **** who ruins **** for the rest of us... goddamn stupid ****ing hippie. stick to smoking weed.. "after all, they sell them legally" so why dont you go drink some mouthwash and eat a car battery?! Those are legal duuuuude. And I dont even care but you know what? 205 @ 10% BF, show us the pics hippie..

I tried to upload pics but I didn't have enough posts to do so. Won't let me post links in here either but if you just put the .com into this link manually you can see a video of me benching 315 x 8 it was uploaded almost 2 years ago. I bench much more now but this is the only proof I can provide. I changed the title on youtube to include livingdeadguy so you know its me.

youtube/watch?v=6V5YSqduq8U Just put .com after youtube and the link will take you there.


I'm starting to think that there is nothing wrong with me. I feel healthier than ever, and honestly there probably wasn't ever really anything wrong. My liver enzymes were only slightly elevated (76 alt/55 ast) and that was just a day after a harsh cycle. The levels came back down to normal in just about a week or so. The Dr. said the elevated alt/ast was not abnormal because these enzymes can be released by muscle as well. I just got scared ****less when I started to do more research about these things, and found out how stupid it was to run all those cycles in just a 3 year period. Oh well, lesson learned.

 

[Livingdeadguy]

Also to all you talking **** saying I did no pct let me clarify that I always had toremifene or raloxifene as well as letro on hand and would occassionally take them. For a couple cycles I did a well thought out pct and stuck to it, but for several of the mild cycles i did i only did like two weeks of pct.

 

[JD261985]

You're just the worlds savior from steroids aren't you? Pat yourself on the back, and stop maybe idiotic posts. Everything you say is so contradicting it is f@cking ridiculous and I'm not gonna feed the troll any longer. You act like youre on your death bed, looking for a liver transplant, while on dialysis. YOU ran 9 cycles in three years, YOU supposedly did your research, YOU didn't believe in a SERM, YOU bought these supps OTC and with all the research didn't find it wasn't smart to run cycles for 3 years straight?? (Cycle+PCT+time off all count towards one cycle) and YOU are an idiotic POS who should just leave the forum and take your BS somewhere else. You're no longer addicted to steroids, go back to your other great life choice. Poppin addies and smoking tons of weed.

There are plenty of people who run 2-3 cycles a year that's not uncommon just saying. What you think guys wait 6 months between cycles?? Bahahahahaha now that's funny

 

[JD261985]

I tried to upload pics but I didn't have enough posts to do so. Won't let me post links in here either but if you just put the .com into this link manually you can see a video of me benching 315 x 8 it was uploaded almost 2 years ago. I bench much more now but this is the only proof I can provide. I changed the title on youtube to include livingdeadguy so you know its me.

youtube/watch?v=6V5YSqduq8U Just put .com after youtube and the link will take you there.

I'm starting to think that there is nothing wrong with me. I feel healthier than ever, and honestly there probably wasn't ever really anything wrong. My liver enzymes were only slightly elevated (76 alt/55 ast) and that was just a day after a harsh cycle. The levels came back down to normal in just about a week or so. The Dr. said the elevated alt/ast was not abnormal because these enzymes can be released by muscle as well. I just got scared ****less when I started to do more research about these things, and found out how stupid it was to run all those cycles in just a 3 year period. Oh well, lesson learned.

Don't ever diagnose yourself online it will just make your anxiety worse and you rarely find a correct diagnosis. Btw..if your liver was failing you would have yellow eyes, skin, etc. Its called jaundice.

 

[StayinHeavy]

There are plenty of people who run 2-3 cycles a year that's not uncommon just saying. What you think guys wait 6 months between cycles?? Bahahahahaha now that's funny

Agreed. People do run 2-3 cycles a year. Exp people who know what they are doing. Not underage kids. OP has done nothing but contradict himself and pretty sure he isn't being serious and just trolling around. Was a little heated in that post haha just due to his stupidity and constant changing of his story. I still say 9 cycles is a tad much for oral only cycles but if you get your Blood work done and good to go, then it comes down to the user and their own personal choices.

 

[Jstrong20]

Lol the drs told you that your not haveing liver failure but you dont beleive them.

 

[Lhns2]

Also to all you talking **** saying I did no pct let me clarify that I always had toremifene or raloxifene as well as letro on hand and would occassionally take them. For a couple cycles I did a well thought out pct and stuck to it, but for several of the mild cycles i did i only did like two weeks of pct.

Key word is occasionally.

 

[Vitus]

"I'm starting to think that there is nothing wrong with me."

HAHAHAHAHAHA NO FUQING ****T? WHAT HAPPENED TO BEING THE PATRON SAINT OF ANTI STEROIDS WHO WAS GNA "SAVE US"? IDIOT....
Smokes lots of weed, pops adderall, becomes paranoid as fuq... I think theres a connection there..... *******.. I just hope you didnt write your Congressman a fuqing letter lmao..

 

[Bad Company]

Why don't you listen to your liver specialist. Everyone is right your enzymes will be higher after a meth cycle. It's your choice to not do pro hormones. Did you not run all the support supps and drink a gallon of water a day? Did you drink alcohol on cycle or during your break?
There's a lot more to it I would think

 

[kolejorg]

Very old thread. But sounds more like he had gallbladder issues than liver issues.