Low Test (Male 32)
- 03-13-2013, 12:01 PM
Low Test (Male 32)
I am new here, but have lurked from time to time. Quick back story, I have been training for about 1.5 hours a day 6 days a week for the last 2 years. I have not made any progress in about the last year or so and was extremely frustrated. I am 6'3'' 230lbs (I have a decent amount of belly fat am lean almost everywhere else). I don't seem to be able to get below that weight even though my diet is near perfect. Also, I cant seem to improve my lifts much more than they are. My bench is 200 on 5 rep max and back squat is 225 on five rep max. A man of my size should be able to lift a lot more than that especially how hard I train. I finally went to get some blood work done during a physical and my suspicions were confirmed:
Testosterone, Total, LC/MS/MS 231 (Normal range is 250-1100 ng)
Free Testosterone 48.4 (Normal range is 35-155)
I go back to the doc on Friday, but he is just an internal medicine dr. What type of doc do I see and is there one anyone recommends in the NW Chicago suburbs? (Naperville/Aurora/Downers Grove)
Also, how can my Total test be so low and my free be considered normal?
As an athlete looking to make significant gains where should these levels be at? What would you all do if you were me?
I am dissapointed but honsestly a little relieved. I was about ready to just give up. Everyone I work out with progresses so much and I just stay at the same level.
- 04-12-2013, 06:58 PM
Even though no one responded I thought I would follow up with an update. My primary care physician sent me to see a urologist. The urologist ordered a second round of tests. Here are the results:
Prolactin 8.8 (Normal is 2-18)
LH 2.1 (Normal is 1.5-9.3)
Testosterone, total 320 (Normal is 250-1100)
Free Testosterone is 67.8 (Normal is 35-155)
My testosterone level is considered normal on this second test, but isn't it still low for a 32 year old man who works out at least an hour a day?
Should I push for TRT? What are your thoughts? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
- 04-12-2013, 07:05 PM
Do you feel like you need trt? Only you can answer that. If I were you I would look into it but that's just me, its a lifetime commitment. There prob some people in the anti aging forum who are your age and on trt
04-12-2013, 07:59 PM
I'm 34 and on TRT. Level was at 348 when I started. Last bloods I was 704. Haven't felt this good since I was in my early twenties.
04-12-2013, 11:28 PM
Now that I think of it I have never seen a post from someone who started trt who stated they regret doing it.
04-12-2013, 11:37 PM
200's and 300's = impossible to gain appreciable amounts of muscle, and a tendency for accumulation of bodyfat, esp around the waistline and hips/lower chest. If you can get yourself to the 700's or 800's its like night and day, esp with the bodyfat reduction. If you can't get to those #'s using clomid or by addressing possible causes for the low T....then yeah, TRT is for you. I personally would not even consider it until 35, or better yet 40. Only since its a lifetime commitment and if your in your 20's or early 30's that would suck to have to do this for 30-40 years 20-25 is bad enough.....this is assuming once you get to your 60's you say "F it" and stop the trt....otherwise God knows how long you will be on it if you start early.
04-12-2013, 11:43 PM
04-13-2013, 12:15 AM
04-13-2013, 12:35 AM
Yup, only a minor inconvenience. I agree that a natural T level of 800-900 would be amazing. If I could go the rest of my life without injecting every Thursday evening and FEEL like I do now, I would, and gladly. Unfortunately, I don't think that's in the cards for me. Oh well.
I've said it on here a couple of times, but the night I came home from my first trip to the pharmacy with a bag full of needles and a bottle of test, I kind of felt like a junkie. Hell, I'll rarely even take an Advil for a headache. I don't feel like a junkie anymore. It's amazing what just 100mg a week will do.
04-13-2013, 12:48 AM
04-13-2013, 01:04 AM
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04-13-2013, 01:15 AM
04-13-2013, 01:24 AM
04-13-2013, 01:30 AM
04-13-2013, 12:44 PM
Thank you for the input. How fast did you notice a difference?
I struggle with BF (only around the belly) and always reach this point where I can't lift anymore. It is like a plateau that I can never break through. I haven't increased my loads in over 6 months. It is infuriating.
The doc is recommending the Adrogel. Should I go with that if my insurance covers it.
04-13-2013, 01:33 PM
04-13-2013, 02:35 PM
my father who is 47 just had his bloods tested and his total T was at 350, and his doctor is being stingy about trt.
i find that really unfortunate as its something he wants and both you guys are on the low end.
i would def push for it
04-13-2013, 03:45 PM
04-15-2013, 10:32 AM
Thanks guys. The next Dr. appointment is today. Hopefully they will finally help me out. It sucks being exhausted by 5pm every day.
04-15-2013, 10:53 AM
04-15-2013, 05:13 PM
Went to the urologist and he had nothing to say other than refer me to an endocrinologist. I am getting really sick of this. This was the 6th appointment I have had on this issue since January. Does anyone have a doc in Illinois they can recommend?
04-15-2013, 05:23 PM
04-15-2013, 09:43 PM
04-16-2013, 10:52 AM
04-16-2013, 01:54 PM
04-16-2013, 03:52 PM
Not trying to hijack thread, but I was wondering if there are any DIY hormone profile tests, or ones you can do yourself at home? I feel my test is on the lower range, and regardless would like to measure it in response to various diet protocol, supps, etc. so I can learn what kind if routine works best for me.
Not really feeling the 2-400$ doctor visit.
My current UNsponsored PES EP cutting log:http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/234161-adonisbelts-pes-erase.html
04-16-2013, 04:00 PM
04-17-2013, 10:56 AM
The first Dr I went to was mad the urologist sent me to an endo to do yet another barrage of tests when they already know the answer. He is writing me a prescription for androgel. I went to the pharmacy and they wanted 435 bucks for one container. I hope my insurance will cover some of it.
The pharmacist said the dr. only prescribed me one pump and wanted me to verify that with him. He says the normal dosage is 4 pumps. When I looked at the bag it said 12.5mg and I think it was the 1%, but I am not sure on that. Does that seem right?
04-17-2013, 01:39 PM
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