Low Test (Male 32)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by btale View Post
    The first Dr I went to was mad the urologist sent me to an endo to do yet another barrage of tests when they already know the answer. He is writing me a prescription for androgel. I went to the pharmacy and they wanted 435 bucks for one container. I hope my insurance will cover some of it.

    The pharmacist said the dr. only prescribed me one pump and wanted me to verify that with him. He says the normal dosage is 4 pumps. When I looked at the bag it said 12.5mg and I think it was the 1%, but I am not sure on that. Does that seem right?
    Had the same issue. Went to the pharmacy expecting 5g (2 pumps or 2 packets of 2.5g) and I got one box of 2.5g packets. Added it up in my head, OK this is way wrong since 5G is the starting dose and 10g is the max dose--4 pumps (most places that is). Got pissed, went back to the pharmacy..questioned them...they said it was what the prescription asked for. I asked her if this was "normal" (knowing it was not) and she said yeah we have plenty of guys on one packet (not buying that but she stuck to her story). Go back to the car, call the GP's right hand rx lady and ask WTF the problem is. I get the explanation that the first month is 2.5g to "assess tolerance", see if there are any side effects that preclude you from continuing the topical route, maybe skin irritation? not sure. So I say to myself, OK I have to shut myself down for a month at 2.5g which will not even get me back to 290 where I started THEN I can "graduate" to a whopping 5g that will get me to just above my starting point...and then wait a few more months to get on 10g which is where I know I need to be. I just grinned and "beared" it and went through the nonsense protocol. They should do one week max to assess tolerance/side effects, not a month. This isn't a game here shutting down peoples test lower than the initial low #.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Test is $65 a vial at my pharmacy.
    Edit:Safeway
    just wondering is that with a copay or without?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post

    just wondering is that with a copay or without?
    Without. I don't pay a dime with my insurance, but for S&G I asked the clerk what the price was for a vial (10ml/200mg cyp) and she said $65. She snickered when I told her UGLs ask way less.

  4. Stupid question here but do you all go to the doc once a week to get injections? Just wondering cause I've been thinking about TRT and my wife's a nurse, hoping she could pin me to keep from going to the doc once a week.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by DWeaver View Post
    Stupid question here but do you all go to the doc once a week to get injections? Just wondering cause I've been thinking about TRT and my wife's a nurse, hoping she could pin me to keep from going to the doc once a week.
    I pin at home, once a week. Had to pin myself in front of my doc's assistant to get the take home prescription.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post

    I pin at home, once a week. Had to pin myself in front of my doc's assistant to get the take home prescription.
    Ok thanks

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DWeaver View Post

    Ok thanks
    No worries man, here to help.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    Without. I don't pay a dime with my insurance, but for S&G I asked the clerk what the price was for a vial (10ml/200mg cyp) and she said $65. She snickered when I told her UGLs ask way less.
    Hahaha, good info thanks

  9. Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post

    Hahaha, good info thanks
    Word. I've heard upwards of $100 through family docs, but that's still significantly cheaper than gel if you're coming out of pocket for it. Even at 250 a week, a vial is good for roughly 8 weeks (depending on your accuracy). If I were coming out of pocket, I'd definitely go that route.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post

    I've heard privatemdlabs is quick and cheap.
    Credible enough to just take to a doc and just say something along the lines of:

    "look, my test is ****, w2b androgel to rub on thighs and pins now plskthx."?
    My current UNsponsored PES EP cutting log:http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/234161-adonisbelts-pes-erase.html

  11. The thing is, you don't necessarily want to go on TRT if you haven't ruled out other variables first. Being on TRT myself and going through a long process to rule things out before committing, I will say that no doctor should be putting someone on test because of one low lab.

    But, if you need it, I say dive in no matter what your age. The difference it will make is unreal and you'll wonder why you waited.

  12. Ok I've got another question. Do you need to take an AI while on TRT on either the gel or shots? Thanks.

  13. Not if you get your protocol right. Many of us have moved to twice weekly injections at a lower dose and avoid any e2 issues.
  14. Mo' problems


    Insurance company denied the prescription unless I go see an Endo. Appointment tomorrow. This is why healthcare is so messed up in the USA. All I want is to feel normal again.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by SPS View Post
    Now that I think of it I have never seen a post from someone who started trt who stated they regret doing it.
    No - but I HAVE seen many threads created by people on TRT who are trying to get off it.

  16. Just another update here - I had to get another test done because my most recent one was above 300 (it was 320) and my insurance company required 2 tests below 300. The third test put me at 145. Yikes.

    I finally was able to pick up my prescription today my insurance covered all but $10 bucks. Here is to hoping I can feel normal again! Sorry to any guy that has to go through this process. What a pain in the ass.

  17. Did they stick you on the Androgel?

  18. Yes. I finally got a prescription of 2 pumps of 1.62 Androgel. I have been on it for 4 days now and I feel much better already in the morning. I still seem to crash out around 5pm, but I hear it takes a few weeks to build all the way up in my system. I am getting bloodwork done in another 7 weeks to see what my levels have gone up too.

    I hear conflicting reports on if the injections or Androgel is better (for DHT). What do you all think?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by btale View Post
    Yes. I finally got a prescription of 2 pumps of 1.62 Androgel. I have been on it for 4 days now and I feel much better already in the morning. I still seem to crash out around 5pm, but I hear it takes a few weeks to build all the way up in my system. I am getting bloodwork done in another 7 weeks to see what my levels have gone up too.

    I hear conflicting reports on if the injections or Androgel is better (for DHT). What do you all think?
    I apply half my pumps morning and half in the evening to keep the levels even more constant than topical alone vs injections. But def topical has more DHT conversion, esp if you apply it in certain areas (mostly in the groin area). So depends if you wanted or didn't want DHT conversion? You didn't specify.

  20. To be honest I am not sure. I am relatively new to this and trying to get caught up as quickly as possible. I hear some people say DHT is good and some say it is bad. It is confusing.

    Would it be better to get the injections? I worry because I have a 18 month old baby that wants to be held when I get home from work. It is 6-8 hours after I apply but it still freaks me out.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by btale View Post
    To be honest I am not sure. I am relatively new to this and trying to get caught up as quickly as possible. I hear some people say DHT is good and some say it is bad. It is confusing.

    Would it be better to get the injections? I worry because I have a 18 month old baby that wants to be held when I get home from work. It is 6-8 hours after I apply but it still freaks me out.
    That is cause dht is good, except when it messes with your hairline or prostate, but it won't do that to everyone. Imo you should go with injections since you have a baby. There could be times you simply can't wait to hold it or whatever after you put on the gel.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by btale View Post
    To be honest I am not sure. I am relatively new to this and trying to get caught up as quickly as possible. I hear some people say DHT is good and some say it is bad. It is confusing.

    Would it be better to get the injections? I worry because I have a 18 month old baby that wants to be held when I get home from work. It is 6-8 hours after I apply but it still freaks me out.
    yeah I am a guy who WANTS some DHT conversion.....its "good for you" . Well OK you have to put all sorts of lotions and potions on your head to be certain it won't affect your hairline, and you need to get on a good saw palmetto extract for your prostate.....But DHT is actually a better choice than testosterone in many ways, of course its best in moderation since it can have those adverse side effects. I apply a pump or two of androgel "down there" for DHT conversion, as well I use andractim/DHT gel. Right now I am using andractim for some pre-existing gyno, and I put a few dabs down below as well. For most men the possile prostate issues and/or hair fallout causes them to shy away from DHT. But if you are not so prone to MPB and you use topical anti-androgens and minoxidil up there you should be OK. But yeah as already stated, androgel is a no-no with a small child....and to a lesser extent a wife. But especially a baby.
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