Test base alternatives

jquanda · Mar 11, 2013

Currently looking for a test base to run with sdrol. I've been looking for dermacrine or transaderm but have had no luck. Are there currently other alternatives? Any recommendations besides pinning are welcome. Thanks in advance.

OnionKnight · Mar 11, 2013

depends on the purpose behind the base. for ethargy purposes, dht products will work. look into stano or epiandrosterone. things like lgi stano-200 or frl 5apha test.

hvactech · Mar 11, 2013

look into bulk-up from androfactory...

abformulations · Mar 11, 2013

I just finished a 4 week Sd cycle with stano starting week 3. Lethargy was horrible week 3 and 4. Shin pumps were unbearable if I walked to the gym lol. I had to stop at times to stop the pumps. Taurine didnt help much but I didn't really use it.

Bulk up, stano, or 5 alpha test.

lamonster14 · Mar 11, 2013

4 Andro rx?

Cordeen · Mar 11, 2013

4-Dhea and yes it's found in BULK-UP.

lamonster14 · Mar 11, 2013

Apologize for the incorrect punctuation

El Hefe · Mar 11, 2013

Transdermal test. Assuming your trying to avoid the needles.

testosteronet · Mar 11, 2013

The re-release of Dermacrine is right around the corner.

Young Gotti · Mar 11, 2013

BULK UP and Transaderm are the best options

jquanda · Mar 11, 2013

I've tried searching for dermacrine and transaderm but haven't had any luck finding them.

Any idea when the re-release will be? might be worth the wait if I can combat the lethargy and drop in libido

Young Gotti said:
BULK UP and Transaderm are the best options

Hyde · Mar 11, 2013

I really like 4dhea for energy/libido/wellness help if you don't mind that it's wet vs. 5dhea or stano.

4AD is my personal fav, 4 Andro RX, Bulk Up, Alpha Bulk all have it. Wouldn't use any products that also include 1dhea though if just looking to combat lethargy, as 1dhea can cause lethargy as well.

Hyde · Mar 11, 2013

testosteronet said:
The re-release of Dermacrine is right around the corner.

Gotta keep my eyes open for the intro sales then!

Gerbil · Mar 11, 2013

jquanda said:
Currently looking for a test base to run with sdrol. I've been looking for dermacrine or transaderm but have had no luck. Are there currently other alternatives? Any recommendations besides pinning are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Test gel, transbuccal testosterone, or the test patch.

There three legit test bases without needles. No idea why everyone is afraid of needles.

testosteronet · Mar 12, 2013

jquanda said:
I've tried searching for dermacrine and transaderm but haven't had any luck finding them.

Any idea when the re-release will be? might be worth the wait if I can combat the lethargy and drop in libido

Very very close.

Fred Anthony · Mar 16, 2013

hmm yes i think the androfactory is a good option.. :wavey:

hvactech said:
look into bulk-up from androfactory...

jimbuick · Mar 16, 2013

Fred Anthony said:
hmm yes i think the androfactory is a good option.. :wavey:

Of course you do.

alwaysfirst · Mar 16, 2013

How good is Andro Rx, is it like Andro gel?

Hyde · Mar 16, 2013

It just came out; not as absorbable as a transdermal application since it's a non-methyl oral but it's cheaper and you can always crank up the dosage to hit your desired ends, plus skin can only take so much gel application before the surface area is saturated - there can be diminishing returns on higher dosage for transdermals. Bio-availability of orals doesn't change with the dose. If money was no option I'd easily choose the gel for better absorbtion, but no denying the oral's convenience or potential for higher dosing.

csa2179 · Mar 16, 2013

U could do both transdrermal and oral. But I think one will do just fine

antknee02 · Mar 18, 2013

testosteronet said:
Very very close.

on offense man, but you guys keep saying ' very very close' and that type of thing..nothing happens.

again, im not ragging you but cmon..

csa2179 · Mar 18, 2013

antknee02 said:
on offense man, but you guys keep saying ' very very close' and then my weiner gets hard but then u never come through on the reach around. So I keep have to resort to my 1984 JCPennys catalog for pics of chicks in turtle necks to get my rocks off. WTF the pages are old and worn, it can't take muck more abuse.

again, im not ragging you but cmon..

Whoa, dude it's going to be alright

antknee02 · Mar 19, 2013

Right on man, thanks for the edit. Think gay much? Not judging, good for you, I mean if that's what you are into..

da_tank55 · Mar 23, 2013

Hyde said:
I really like 4dhea for energy/libido/wellness help if you don't mind that it's wet vs. 5dhea or stano.

4AD is my personal fav, 4 Andro RX, Bulk Up, Alpha Bulk all have it. Wouldn't use any products that also include 1dhea though if just looking to combat lethargy, as 1dhea can cause lethargy as well.

what do you dose the 4AD at?

Hyde · Mar 24, 2013

Right now I'm on 30mg/day of Cyanostane and 4 caps/day of Finaflex 1-Alpha, and just the recommended 2 tabs/day of AMS 4AD has been totally sufficient to keep me feeling good and libido strong (much better than normal, like random boners in highschool good).

When I drop the Cyanostane at the end of this first month tho I'll be running DecaSarm for the next month and doubling the 4AD to help compensate.

Just depends on your needs really. If you want any gains off the 4AD you'd have to run it very high with an AI, but it's better used for on-cycle well-being in a stack, like with 1 & 19dhea IMHO. And that means your dose for best effect will vary based on how you're feeling.

da_tank55 · Mar 24, 2013

I'm looking to stack it for on cycle libido and well being purposes. I like that its sufficient at just two caps, Ill get two bottles and run it three a day

TruthWalker · Mar 26, 2013

Ill never run another cycle without stano...super legit with SD. I had 0 negative sides and usually get terrible terrible lethargy on SD.

Fred Anthony · Mar 26, 2013

is 4dhea really effective ???:thinking:

da_tank55 said:
what do you dose the 4AD at?

chris223 · Mar 26, 2013

Fred Anthony said:
is 4dhea really effective ???:thinking:

As a test base? Seems to be.

da_tank55 · Mar 26, 2013

Has anyone ever stacked 4dhea and stano together with another compound? Interesting..

Hyde · Mar 26, 2013

Fred Anthony said:
is 4dhea really effective ???:thinking:

Run a strong oral anabolic like sdrol with it and again solo and you tell me which scenario you prefer.

Not saying it's powerful, but neither is stano. They just help smooth the sailing for many.

csa2179 · Mar 26, 2013

IMO the best thing for SD is Carbs. lots and lots and lots of Carbs. 4 dhea will help but carbs will be the biggest help(not for limp dick)

TruthWalker · Mar 27, 2013

Hyde said:
Run a strong oral anabolic like sdrol with it and again solo and you tell me which scenario you prefer.

Not saying it's powerful, but neither is stano. They just help smooth the sailing for many.

Agreed - I like the hardening effect I get from stano but the true value lies in its ability to completely eliminate negative sides for me from SD.

Young Gotti · Mar 28, 2013

stano is good for lethargy....but i never understand how ppl recommend it as a test base

i think most ppl r getting the two things mixed up

hvactech · Mar 28, 2013

Young Gotti said:
stano is good for lethargy....but i never understand how ppl recommend it as a test base

i think most ppl r getting the two things mixed up

because it does work well for lethargy people get it confused with actual test base products...

TruthWalker · Mar 28, 2013

hvactech said:
because it does work well for lethargy people get it confused with actual test base products...

Ah, i am confused. could you detail the differences? please excuse my ignorance :dunno:

Fred Anthony · Mar 29, 2013

Transaderm ???:06:

Young Gotti said:
BULK UP and Transaderm are the best options

antknee02 · Mar 29, 2013

too bad transaderm is way too over priced..they intro'ed it at like $40.00..now its around $200.00 if im not mistaken. total rip off.

BigGame84 · Mar 29, 2013

Dermacrine is the same thing but around $40. I think BPS is coming back with it.

Fred Anthony · Mar 30, 2013

chris223 said:
As a test base? Seems to be.

hmmm..:hmmm:

jquanda · Apr 2, 2013

I think i'm going to go with AMS 4 ad rde chrome as a test base for my sd cycle. Any recommendations for dosage? I'm not looking to get additional gains from it; only looking to fight off lethargy and to keep my libido. would the 2/day suffice?

Cordeen · Apr 2, 2013

jquanda said:
I think i'm going to go with AMS 4 ad rde chrome as a test base for my sd cycle. Any recommendations for dosage? I'm not looking to get additional gains from it; only looking to fight off lethargy and to keep my libido. would the 2/day suffice?

SD is normally libido friendly...lethargy will probably kick in though.

Fred Anthony · Apr 2, 2013

Hyde said:
Run a strong oral anabolic like sdrol with it and again solo and you tell me which scenario you prefer.

Not saying it's powerful, but neither is stano. They just help smooth the sailing for many.

:arms:

Hyde · Apr 2, 2013

jquanda said:
I think i'm going to go with AMS 4 ad rde chrome as a test base for my sd cycle. Any recommendations for dosage? I'm not looking to get additional gains from it; only looking to fight off lethargy and to keep my libido. would the 2/day suffice?

Never ran SD, but I like 4 tabs e/d, and I like to take 2 at a time. I am right now actually.

tinytony · Apr 2, 2013

Gerbil said:
Test gel, transbuccal testosterone, or the test patch.

There three legit test bases without needles. No idea why everyone is afraid of needles.

This sounds interesting. I never see any clues of the stuff other than prescription and that's hard to get if you're only 27 with high test levels

tinytony · Apr 2, 2013

Young Gotti said:
stano is good for lethargy....but i never understand how ppl recommend it as a test base

i think most ppl r getting the two things mixed up

I can't say M1,4 ADD is test base, but I will say it feels reeaally good. It can convert a little but I stack it with Epi and such and its a good feeling. No lethargy.period. at 3 caps per day. But have TUDCA or UDCA on hand

Fred Anthony · Apr 3, 2013

Hyde said:
Run a strong oral anabolic like sdrol with it and again solo and you tell me which scenario you prefer.

Not saying it's powerful, but neither is stano. They just help smooth the sailing for many.

Thanks for it bro...:08:

ExerciseorDie · Apr 4, 2013

anyone know of a way to get a source. Tried gym, tried friends, dunno of any decent websites, and tried an online source but from I was told his prices are crazy.

Royd The Noyd · Apr 4, 2013

jquanda said:
I think i'm going to go with AMS 4 ad rde chrome as a test base for my sd cycle. Any recommendations for dosage? I'm not looking to get additional gains from it; only looking to fight off lethargy and to keep my libido. would the 2/day suffice?

Start with 2 and work up if needed. Sd lethargy really doesn't hit the first week so you can even wait to start it a bit.

Royd The Noyd · Apr 4, 2013

Young Gotti said:
stano is good for lethargy....but i never understand how ppl recommend it as a test base

i think most ppl r getting the two things mixed up

Dht has the same effect as testosterone in a low testosterone environment:

http://www.advancedmusclesciencelab.com/2012/06/dihydrotestosterone-dht-prohormones.html

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