grapefruit and orals

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  1. grapefruit and orals


    I have heares that taking your orals with grapefruit makes it absorb better and metabolize slower is that true. Also have anyone seen a difrence with it?


  2. No. Just no.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    No. Just no.
    What he said ^^^
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  4. Bad idea. Don't do that.

  5. Ok. Please elaborate

  6. And what about with the prohormone halodrol?

  7. Why not? PP and other companies use(d) this as their "bio available/carrier" matrix...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    Why not? PP and other companies use(d) this as their "bio available/carrier" matrix...
    Naringin was used as a method to block/promote certain conversions in DHEA derivatives AFAIK...doesn't mean this should all be extrapolated or true for ALL orals
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    Naringin was used as a method to block/promote certain conversions in DHEA derivatives AFAIK...doesn't mean this should all be extrapolated or true for ALL orals
    Doesn't mean it's not true either. I personally have noticed a difference when taking superdrol with grapefruit juice as apposed to not.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel

    Doesn't mean it's not true either. I personally have noticed a difference when taking superdrol with grapefruit juice as apposed to not.
    How so?

  11. Slightly on-topic/off-topic but I had heard from credible sources that grape juice helps creatine absorb better/faster

  12. Yes, dihydroxybergamotin or dhb has an effect on absorption and metabolism of a lot of compounds.

    Its found in grapefruit
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by TheThickMick View Post

    How so?
    The first time i used superdrol i put on 10 pounds but the next time (same dosage, diet, training etc) i put on 30 pounds ?

  14. Try Anabolic Xtreme Trisorbagen and you will love it.. I am using it with Epi currently and the effect of the cycle is much more pronounced. And I have tried with and without, as Epi is a DS that seems to really like my androgen receptors.. I go back to it every time

  15. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony
    Try Anabolic Xtreme Trisorbagen and you will love it.. I am using it with Epi currently and the effect of the cycle is much more pronounced. And I have tried with and without, as Epi is a DS that seems to really like my androgen receptors.. I go back to it every time
    That product is a waste of money.
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  16. It's not a waste it if it works and if you have the money to spend.. Love the super opinionated people on this forum.. Been here barely all I see are guys pretending to be know-it-alls and harassing people who ask questions and bring in an idea they don't agree with..

  17. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony View Post
    It's not a waste it if it works and if you have the money to spend.. Love the super opinionated people on this forum.. Been here barely all I see are guys pretending to be know-it-alls and harassing people who ask questions and bring in an idea they don't agree with..
    Jb says its a waste...an experienced formulator that does know what he is talking about...yeah I'll go with Jbs opinion sorry.
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  18. Ok no problem, you're entitled to that

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    Jb says its a waste...an experienced formulator that does know what he is talking about...yeah I'll go with Jbs opinion sorry.
    U JB's little b*tch are u? A lot of suck ups around here as well.

    If sum1 has had an experence with somthing that works for them then no reason to be petty and put them down.

    Seems to me that negative criticism far outweighs constructive feedback around here. Learn Teach Lead? Not so much

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel View Post
    U JB's little b*tch are u? A lot of suck ups around here as well.

    If sum1 has had an experence with somthing that works for them then no reason to be petty and put them down.

    Seems to me that negative criticism far outweighs constructive feedback around here. Learn Teach Lead? Not so much
    easy buddy, no one has put anyone one down until your comment. they are just voicing their honest opinions on the topics of this thread. they are not person attacks on anyone.
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  21. Used dhb, 300mg per cap, 2 caps per day, washed down with pure grapefruit juice works, and is cheap.

    I rarely buy supplements with my own money, but when I do, I expect them to live up to claims, and be worth the cost.
    I purchased trisobargen with my own money, and found it to be a waste of money, and is garbage in my opinion.

    Take it or leave it.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel

    U JB's little b*tch are u? A lot of suck ups around here as well.

    If sum1 has had an experence with somthing that works for them then no reason to be petty and put them down.

    Seems to me that negative criticism far outweighs constructive feedback around here. Learn Teach Lead? Not so much
    I think my negative criticism is constructive feedback.
    I learn, I teach, I lead.
    If admins don't like something I or anyone does, they are quick to tell it. But if you don't like the board, feel free to gtfo.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony
    It's not a waste it if it works and if you have the money to spend.. Love the super opinionated people on this forum.. Been here barely all I see are guys pretending to be know-it-alls and harassing people who ask questions and bring in an idea they don't agree with..
    I don't pretend to know anything I don't. If I don't know, I'll say so.
    I havent harassed anyone in a long time, I thought I've been pretty docile these last few months.
    I listen to the data, then form an opinion.
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  24. No hard feelings.


    I just felt like havin a bit of a b*tch.

    Negative criticism is not constructive feedback tho, just want to make that clear.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel View Post
    No hard feelings.


    I just felt like havin a bit of a b*tch.

    Negative criticism is not constructive feedback tho, just want to make that clear.
    I merely stated that I trust a formulator that knows what he is talking about, specially since he not only has theoretical but first hand knowledge of most (if not all) the things he gives his input for.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    I merely stated that I trust a formulator that knows what he is talking about, specially since he not only has theoretical but first hand knowledge of most (if not all) the things he gives his input for.
    I understand what u said Celery, its just how u said it.

    Its ok ive moved on from my little rant

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel View Post
    I understand what u said Celery, its just how u said it.

    Its ok ive moved on from my little rant
    Okie doke Gollum.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post

    Okie doke Gollum.
    Haha my precious

  29. So what about grapefruit juice does it work?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Smeagel View Post

    U JB's little b*tch are u? A lot of suck ups around here as well.

    If sum1 has had an experence with somthing that works for them then no reason to be petty and put them down.

    Seems to me that negative criticism far outweighs constructive feedback around here. Learn Teach Lead? Not so much
    I agree.. Because someone is a formulator and supposedly knows things once again does not mean only his gathered knowledge is correct.. I don't tried products that aren't research backed and if they don't work for me then its the last time I use them. A product that allows you to use less of the target compound is not a waist of money in my opinion

  31. Quote Originally Posted by tinytony

    I agree.. Because someone is a formulator and supposedly knows things once again does not mean only his gathered knowledge is correct.. I don't tried products that aren't research backed and if they don't work for me then its the last time I use them. A product that allows you to use less of the target compound is not a waist of money in my opinion
    A product that does the same thing as another much cheaper product, is a waste of money to me. If it isn't for you and your fine with spending more for the same end, that's your decision, I don't really care.
    It isn't right or wrong, people come here for info.
    If my opinion was worthless, I wouldn't get paid for it, but quite a few companies do, and that's worth something for some people looking for help, for others, it isn't. No worries.
    This is not bb.com, if you like that site, post there. Otherwise, enjoy yourself, and welcome to anabolic minds.
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by cory0475 View Post
    So what about grapefruit juice does it work?
    It helps some, others it doesn't.

    I've found the best, most affordable way is to buy DHB in capsules, and take about 600mg ed with grapefruit juice.
    But there is quite a bit of data on the subject.

    The overall consensus with medication is it increases the half life of a compound, and in doing so, increases side effects, with positive effects being insignificant .
    But this is from studying It's effects on medications, not androgens
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  33. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    A product that does the same thing as another much cheaper product, is a waste of money to me. If it isn't for you and your fine with spending more for the same end, that's your decision, I don't really care.
    It isn't right or wrong, people come here for info.
    If my opinion was worthless, I wouldn't get paid for it, but quite a few companies do, and that's worth something for some people looking for help, for others, it isn't. No worries.
    This is not bb.com, if you like that site, post there. Otherwise, enjoy yourself, and welcome to anabolic minds.
    well said, man.
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    It helps some, others it doesn't.

    I've found the best, most affordable way is to buy DHB in capsules, and take about 600mg ed with grapefruit juice.
    But there is quite a bit of data on the subject.

    The overall consensus with medication is it increases the half life of a compound, and in doing so, increases side effects, with positive effects being insignificant .
    But this is from studying It's effects on medications, not androgens
    aside from trial and error, how do you determine which compounds DHB and GF would benefit? im guessing it basically depends on if the compound is metabolized by the cytochrome P450/CYP enzymes?
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by heebs10

    aside from trial and error, how do you determine which compounds DHB and GF would benefit? im guessing it basically depends on if the compound is metabolized by the cytochrome P450/CYP enzymes?
    Yup. I've seen a list of medications that gf juice effects, but as far as androgens go, trial n error.
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  36. So what prohormones does it work with? Ex. epistane, halodrol, ultradrol, superdrol, m1t

  37. anything metabolyzed by the cyp450 enzyme.
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  38. There is little to know studies on the p450 cyto and its effect on legal DS. However there is data that spells out its role in metabolizing both estrogen and testosterone. It is bc of this that is is generally assumed that it metabolizes most (steroidal) hormones. Another vital piece is that this snip was extracted primarily in the liver, giving some supporting evidence that it metabolizes methylated synthetic hormones as well. There are many reputable scientists that have opposed this by saying that it specifically metabolizes ORGANIC substances only. Till i see hard data, its trial and error. Flame away if ur not bored to death lol.

  39. For example, Test and estro are organic. DS are typically not

  40. Quote Originally Posted by figdaddy View Post
    For example, Test and estro are organic. DS are typically not
    Say what???
  

  
 

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