the first week on it I was only doing 20, then I increased to 60. I didn't notice much on 20, but 60 has given better results. I have read of 100 and know someone who did 100, but no way in hell am I trying 100. I have also read a lot in a book about test being stacked with almost all anabolics, I however am only doing D-ball solo. Not a huge fan of long needles. So id prefer to stick to just orals, but understand I must keep my liver in mind due to the toxicity of the compound. Ironically I make generic pharmaceuticals for a living (so ia m always around chemicals and have some knowledge of chemicals just from work...though roids are a different ball game), and never thought id do any roids.. but after being a gym rat for 3 yrs and plateauing I just caved in and decided id try one cycle just to see. The book has a lot of info, it just didn't mention how long to cycle off for... thank you everyone for your replies.