- 02-12-2013, 06:44 PM
To clarify, this thread is not about MY first cycle. I am not planning to use a PH or AAS anytime soon.
I am curious to know about long term effects, etc. of prohormones and AAS.
How old were you when you ran your first cycle, what compound, did you use PCT, and have you had any long term consequences from it?
- 02-12-2013, 06:50 PM
I was 20 used 400mg test and gained 18 lbs workin upper body only.... I was young and only wanted to work the pretty muscles.
Pct, again was young and stupid. Didn't know what a pct was.
Now I'm 38 just went on TRT but should have done that about 10-12years ago... Just putting it off.
As for starting.... At some point you WILL need to be put on TRT after you start cycling. So think about that before you start. Are you really ready to pin yourself for the rest of your life? I did the math before it something like 6,000+ pins over your life time. If you start at 20 and stop at 80... That just for trt not including the times when your cycling up and can be pinning yourself 2+ x every day, depending on what your takin.
Are you really sure your up for that?
- 02-12-2013, 07:09 PM
02-12-2013, 07:32 PM
02-12-2013, 07:56 PM
Every time you cycle your body's natural testosterone turns off. Now every time you cycle and it turns off you PCT then it turns back on after a while it's not going to turn back on. Even with a moderate dose let's just say 500 mg of test it doesn't matter if it's 5000 or 5 g your body turns off your body doesn't know the amount you're taking it just knows that There's too much and it's supposed to turn off.
You name me one 50-year-old man who has cycled and now is not on TRT. if he's not then he's not getting erections that's all there is to it. At 50 that should still be possible. And if it does happen they are very few and far between don't bank on the fact that you're going to be one of those few.
Yes PCT is very important but it only will delay the inevitable.
02-12-2013, 08:06 PM
The only real way around putting TRT off Is to do short cycles only 4 to 6 weeks max you get on you get off the body has less downtime which could help in prolonging the fact that you are going to need TRT....
Gerbil how old are you?
02-12-2013, 08:08 PM
Lol attention anyone and everyone who has ever ingested a PH you will at some point be on trt now this needs to be a sticky
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02-12-2013, 08:08 PM
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02-12-2013, 08:24 PM
I started my first cycle last year and I was running supertest with winnie oral caps. Not only did it increase my strength
but it made me feel more confident too. It was really a great cycle and for my post cycle I used nolvadex. It worked great
and I really enjoyed the effects. No long term effects here I'm perfectly fine. No complaints at all So give it a run bro
02-12-2013, 09:16 PM
Musclegauge, just curious, but what you're results from the test and winny?
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02-12-2013, 10:47 PM
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02-13-2013, 08:10 AM
phs are just as suppressive as aas
many times they are more toxic
regardless if you 'feel' fine, you did something, ontop of the fact the posters who say they 'feel fine' sound like bloods were not drawn
i sorta agree with the trt at the end of the day thought, seeing any 18yr old who wants to run anabolics, will undoubtedly use them form here on out......i dont know many guys who cycle, getting stronger and bigger and then say 'yep thats enough for me'.......every cycle affects the hpta, the notion that poor pct leads to trt is bull****.....using hormones does have long lasting effects, be it slowly damaging the hpta, the heart, kidneys, rbc, ect
finally op, you should be researching and not making a choice based on replies from a post of yours that demonstrates your clear lack of understanding thus the only advice with regards to you should be stay away
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02-13-2013, 08:29 AM
In Europe they have used testosterone to close the growth plates of teenage boys that were growing to fast. Search for those studies.
02-13-2013, 08:31 AM
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02-13-2013, 04:06 PM
02-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Again the longer the body stays "off" the more likely trt will be in your future. To be honest by the time most men are in there eurly 30s there test is low with or without "using"...
02-13-2013, 04:48 PM
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02-13-2013, 06:17 PM
. My first cycle was more then 8 years ago. M1T, I was completely uneducated and IMO alot of PHs are sold and marketed irresponsibly. Nobody,manufacturers or supp store sales people (granted they are mostly clueless) at the time mentioned pct or cycle support. Unless you were part of an online BB community then you most likely had no idea how to properly run these compounds other then what the manufacturer recommended on the bottles. It wasn't until I told about and joined the 1fast400 site and did research after I got extremely ill (commonly called the "M1T flu" at the time)on my first M1T cycle that I knew full on what I was using. I just wanted an edge and was told it would boost my testosterone and since it was legal at the time I wasn't suspecting it being possibly harmful or even real steroids. I was told pro hormones influence your body to boost levels not shut you down an replace them. I figured it would work alil or not at all. I later ran another M1T cycle with minimal success and side effects. Then I ran an SD cycle a year or two later. First run was ok and months later ran again this time pulsing it and had the best results. My diet , supports and lifts were all on point and then I started getting cysts in my 6th week, big ones on my legs and ass crack mostly , a couple on my kneck and back (places I was getting alil acne at the time). One was so bad in my taint I had to have ER surgery. I was asked about steroid use by the docs and told my liver was in rough shape and my immune system was ****ed(hence the reason acne was turning into big gnarly cysts). I immediately stopped and did proper PCT and returned to "normal" after a couple months.
02-13-2013, 06:19 PM
Shutting down your own test production will carry risk of damaging your own production but doing some cycles in your 20s does not garauntee future trt need - you assume that risk but it's not a sure thing by any means.
02-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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02-13-2013, 07:31 PM
You guys don't read very well I did say somewhere down the road you will probably need TRT some people don't don't think that you're going to be the one that doesn't.
Maybe two out of one hundred people that cycle can fully come back and never had an issue with the rest of them are screwed just like you probably and I said probably will be.
No I do not have scientific facts to back these things up but I know I know people who have cycle are cycling and either they never come off or when they do they need TRT to function properly. I'm not talking about in your early or late 20s I'm talking about mid-to-late 30s with out drugs and you have cycled a few times you will have problems.
I know none of you youngsters believe me now but I'm almost 40 did my first cycle when I was 20 Hennipen having issues for very long time so mark my words.
02-13-2013, 07:47 PM
I'm going to be a prime TRT candidate I know already. In the last 2-3 years I'm showing all the tell tale signs of low T levels setting in. Hopefully ill have insurance within the year then it's on. Not sure if its from my screwing around with PHs an one test cycle or just the natural drop due to age.
02-13-2013, 08:50 PM
My First Cycle
My first cycle was super test and it worked great. I stacked it with winstrol oral caps and also used anavar too.
I went on this cycle for 10 weeks and then again for 10 more weeks with a break in between. It was really great
I gained 10 pounds of muscle and gained no fat. My body fat percentage actually dropped. I would give it a try
02-14-2013, 09:01 AM
again op, like i said, asking people wont help a whole lot seeing we are all different and more than likely cycled different......no one cycles once, they lead to another and another and so on.....each one chips at your once strong teenage hpta....more than likely accelerating the decline in t-levels you would see naturally anyway.........in a nutshell, 1 cycle doesnt = trt BUT dont expect you are walking away hands clean
phs are so new really, and imo, because of them being otc, and accessible to all ages, and many who dont know what they are doing but do it repeatedly, i think in 2-3decades you'll see a whole generation of men with issues that stem from this usage.......you can never say this or that right now with regards to these compounds and future health because no studies have been done, and likely wont be.........one of the benefits of aas is a longer history, and even then no studies are concrete many of the times
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